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Comment by John White on April 6, 2014 at 6:19pm

Lucy, I wasn't talking to you. Oh and i see you're a Creationist. I always knew you were off kilter.

Comment by Michael J. K. on April 6, 2014 at 7:15am

wow looks like things were stirred up here

I am a unitarian universalists I hope that is okay

Comment by John White on April 5, 2014 at 2:14pm

Will, I tried that and got attacked for voicing my belief. This is a better spot for it.

Comment by Will on March 17, 2014 at 8:01am

Well, this isn't the main forum (or any forum at all), but still... we have a perfectly serviceable thread on this very topic on TGD.  It'd be great if this went there.  It'd be even better if it went to /dev/null, but...

Comment by Steve Dallas on March 17, 2014 at 7:45am

Damn Garrett, no wonder you think the bible is perfect while misunderstanding evolution so much. Your reading skills suck. I made fun of preachers and magicians, I didn't say a damn thing about your religion or any specific religion at that.  I "fought" you with a lame joke on two professions that manipulate people with misdirection.

Comment by Liam Strain on March 16, 2014 at 10:30pm

Umm.. wow. Garrett - please take the defense of YE creationism to the Great Debate. As it is, you're just rambling, and this is not the appropriate place for it. You've already made your feelings about the video known. Further debate happens elsewhere.

Comment by Garrett Lemons on March 16, 2014 at 10:22pm

"Egyptians will speak the dead language of Canaan

In Isaiah 19:18 Isaiah says Egyptians will learn the tongue of Canaanites

Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

Not only has the Canaanite language never been spoken by Egyptians, but it is now an extinct language. There is the very unlikely possibility Isaiah was referring to Hebrew, which is technically a Canaanite language. However, Hebrew was also never adopted by the Egyptians. And according to the context of this passage, Isaiah is specifically referring to Pagan Egypt, which ceased to exist in the 4th century. (See Above) So even if Egyptians started speaking Hebrew at this very moment, it would still be an inaccurate prediction. Also, it's worth noting that Isaiah believes the Egyptians will convert to Mosaic Judaism (a dead religion) and start offering sacrifices to the LORD shortly after this incident, (Isaiah 19:21) a practice no longer done by Jews since the Temple was destroyed and priesthood lost." Guess who speaks Hebrew? If you're not yet convinced, hold onto this, http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/seven-prophecies-must-be-fulfi... and http://www.revelationunderstoodcommentary.com/revelation-commentary... and wait and watch.

Comment by Garrett Lemons on March 16, 2014 at 10:10pm

 Everything on Earth is so incredibly detailed that we can't even wrap our minds around how small every detail is, yet our universe is so huge that we can't comprehend it's contents or sheer mass. You're going to sit here and tell me that everything in our universe with all of its intricacies is a cosmic happenstance? How do you explain unmistakable cases of the supernatural? I'm not saying you should be a Christian... but from a logical standpoint alone there should be enough evidence for the belief in intelligent design. Secular science constantly contradicts itself. The Bible has never been proven wrong. It is either historically accurate, not been proven, or simply "proven" false by means of another unproven scientific theory. The prophesy in the Old Testament is so incredibly accurate that there is no way that there is not a divine influence and scientifically, it has never been proven wrong. Isaiah 40:22 says the Earth is round and Job 36 describes the water cycle and Job 26:7 states that the Earth suspends on nothing and Zachariah talks about universal expansion and Hebrews 11:3 talks about subatomic particles and I'm positive there are LOADS more out there that I can't think of off the top of my head. http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulfilled-prophecy-evidenc... Here is a list of fulfilled prophecies. And just to be fair, http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Failed_biblical_prophecies Here is a list of unfulfilled prophesies, some of which are currently in motion. These all assume that prophetic teachings were only meant for the duration of the Bible. Egypt is in a huge revolt where the Muslim brotherhood is killing off the Christians and Russia and Iran are friends now and Russia is on the move and you know they're going to go after Israel because Israel is really pissing people off because they're defending their land. Don't you find it funny that they are world enemies for protecting their land? The Bible SAID that would happen. There are pages and pages of written genealogies in the Bible to prove it's historical validity and scientifically, it was correct even when the world did not yet have the technicalogical ability to know so and with that many prophesies coming true and more in the days we currently live(Russia's sudden military moves, the talk of a new world order based from Europe, the rebuilding of the temple, the push for a treaty between Palestine and Israeli land, ect), there's no way you can tell me that the accuracy of the Bible is flawed, which only proves a young Earth, and a divine creator.

Comment by Garrett Lemons on March 16, 2014 at 10:10pm

They are not the same thing. Micro evolution has been proven, and macro evolution has not been witnessed and we have no fossil evidence. I believe in a young Earth so of course I don't believe that we have had billions of years to change into humans from primates. Secular science has also not been able to support this claim. I do not see how something that is so grey and flakey can be taken so seriously. The dates of things are constantly changing, carbon and radiometric dating has been proven un-trustworthy (http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-c14-disprove-the-... here's a link if you're interested) but people still rely on it and believe in it's accuracy. We have traced Biblical lineage back about 6000 years. Science says that the Earth is 4.54 Billion years but there's absolutely NO way of knowing why and there is nothing concrete to prove or even test their theories. Advances in DNA have only proven that there is only one species of human and the diversity of species on Earth has remained separate for quite a while now. If Micro/macro evolution is such a bland topic for you, what else would you rather discuss if you choose to discuss anything? Universal expansion, maybe? A lot of Christians don't believe in universal expansion but that's kind of silly because it supports creationism. Let's say our universe really is 13.77 billion years old. The rate that our universe is expanding, granted that I am assuming it is developing at a constant rate, would have caused our planet to be uninhabitable 200,000 years ago to our species, much less the supposed numerous older species that existed before us. It has to support a young universe. I know secular science gets so sick and tired of hearing us talk about a worldwide flood, but it proves so much that science just doesn't have an answer for. Anything from sediment layers to ice age related species adaptions to massive geographic de/reformations. Think about the delicacy of the rain cycle and the detail of every blade of grass and every leaf and every grain of sand. 

Comment by Michael B. on March 14, 2014 at 12:19am

Yes - when somebody has a conflict of interest with any situation, their opinion is and always will be suspect.

Secondly, let me slow it down for you thusly; there is NO difference between micro and macro evolution given a long enough scale of time. This is what I was explaining.

Reproductive isolation of a population over time allows enough genetic shift to create a different species.

The examples of big cat hybrids largely just illustrates how narrow that divide is. It's not a statement of two species mating and producing a third. It's about two species that are so narrowly divided genetically, that they can produce offspring; albeit sterile offspring.

The advances in DNA technology over the past hundred years only SUPPORTS evolution - and furthermore has lead to corrections in taxonomy that were previously made purely on observational data.

Though, were you not choosing to be willfully ignorant of the world around you because it is a threat to your worldview... you would know all this.

I actually suspect that you DO know that, but hope that those you discourse with do not, so that you can derail the conversation with such asinine threads as the micro/macro evolution dribble.

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