Point: We are a community of men seeking to discuss the issues that we face and figuring out ways to help ourselves and each other
Counterpoint: By simply discussing the ideas, we're wasting valuable time that could be spent living the ideas we're discussing.
Point: How will we know the traits we want if we don't have a community like this? Man was meant to learn from his forefathers, and to be an apprentice to other men until he himself is man enough to take on a younger man.
Counterpoint: We're not all the same, so we can't discuss moulds to put ourselves into, we just need to put ourselves into situations that help us to figure out our own styles of manliness.
Point: We're all helping each other to grow and develop as men, and so it's worthwhile time spent.
Counterpoint: You don't grow from thinking and talking, you grow more from living.I think there are important values to be found in The Art of Manliness, and that it is a good and noble way to seek to regain our own sense of what a man is. But not necessarily in daily doses, definitely not for long times. Getting sucked into the void of endless discussion of more and more and more manly men and their traits will just bring us down into a state of subordination.