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Where does loyalty end?
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Started this discussion. Last reply by Richard kern Nov 4.

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Richard kern replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

I'm currently on my first leave from the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy, Kings Point. One thing I learned during my Plebe Summer that separates Kings Point from the other academies is our lack of a toleration clause. Our honor code is simply that "A...

November 4

kpeckham replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

Thanks for all the advice. This is hypothetical and I hope I don't get put in a situation where I have to decide where the loyalty lies but it always good to think about in case I ever get in that situation. Sometimes right and wrong isn't as blac...

October 29

Jamie replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

I suppose you either (a) work to restore the system back to what it began as, or (b) leave the system for a better one. To me, though, it doesn't sound as if KPeckham really believes that the system is in the wrong. I'm getting the impression tha...

October 29

Joseph L. Rogers replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

What if you swear to the system, and then find out that the system has rotted from the inside out, by OTHER corrupted types, who are now in charge? What THEN?

October 29

Jamie replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

There's a difference between being a permissive friend and an accountable friend. I don't think I need to clarify which is better; you need to choose for yourself which you'll be. If you catch your buddy in a lie, call him on it. If he cops to it...

October 29

Joseph L. Rogers replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

Peckham, nicely said. It seems to me, also, that you've made your choice whether you realize it or not. Good luck to you, sir.

October 29

kpeckham replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

The one thing that this argument always comes down too is trusting the integrity of your best friend or trusting n the system. When somone is your best friend and you would do anything for him and he would do the same for you where does the system...

October 29

Joseph L. Rogers replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

Gonna be different for everyone, admittedly. I was trying to apply from his point of view.

October 26

Don Davis replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

Very well put Jamie. Peckham, You are responsible to not only the military system, but also to everyone around you, to your buddy, and to yourself. If you have a specific person that is not acting with the highest level of integrity, and the issu...

October 26

Jamie replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

Agreed, for the most part. I thought you communicated your point about choosing friends very clearly, and I couldn't agree more. We become like those with whom we associate, so our closest friends should be carefully chosen. The only part I'd per...

October 26

Joseph L. Rogers replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

And, admittedly...if the behavior is becoming self destructive, then you don't want to let it continue. I counsel caution, however. Make the wrong person angry, and your career may very well be over before it begins. In my post above, what I think...

October 26

Jamie replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

Ask yourself this: what kind of "friend" are you being if you stand idly by while your buddy chips away at his own integrity by committing "small white lies and violations"? A big part of loyalty is watching your friend's back. If he's doing some...

October 26

Joseph L. Rogers replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

This is something I struggle with. Human nature, it is not a simple thing. Not at all... My wife is constantly telling me, when I have an issue I raise with her, asking her advice, to "Pick My Battles". Peckham, I have no idea what your life has ...

October 26

Will replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Where does loyalty end?'

I just missed this topic, when I created my own! So I'm removing my thread, and using this one. Here is Brett's article: http://artofmanliness.com/2009/10/25/on-manly-loyalty/

October 26

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Where does loyalty end?

I thought that was a great article today on loyalty. I too, agree that loyalty is one of the single most important things that a man can hold. To be loyal to his friends and have his friends be loyal to him in return to me is the purest accomplish...

October 26

R. J. Vincent replied to kpeckham's discussion 'Manly Advice about starting a journey at the Air Force Academy'

First off, congratulations on your appointment. I wanted to join the military but bum feet and a nasty injury at the end of high school (I was being young and stupid; stupid being the operative term here) ended that idea. All I can say is eyes and...

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