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Why Worry When You Can Pray?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Bob Giraldi Nov 22, 2012. 17 Replies

Hello Gents,By way of introduction, let first say, that I am a Christian. While I realize this is not a Christian site, per se, I have noticed there are Christian discussion groups, and that is where…Continue


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http://ellerslie.com - Paul Washer unsheathes his sword and utters "This is war!" The line has been drawn in the sand. Where will you stand? "And they overca...
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StaggerLee replied to Will Gentile's discussion School carnage: Blame church, not God or guns in the group Christian Men
"It is a great thing to say evil people do evil things mostly because it is 100% true. It also has all the practical usefulness of a soup fork.  Unless of course anyone is suggesting that these evil people were not born into some sort of family…"
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"“Do you really want a solution or is the constant refrain ‘why’ a way of escaping the responsibility of the answer?”"
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Ken D Books replied to Will Gentile's discussion School carnage: Blame church, not God or guns in the group Christian Men
"And your point?"
Dec 18, 2012
Liam S. replied to Will Gentile's discussion School carnage: Blame church, not God or guns in the group Christian Men
"Violent crime and gun relate crime rates were higher in the 70s than they are now. It was a problem then too. "
Dec 18, 2012
Ken D Books replied to Will Gentile's discussion School carnage: Blame church, not God or guns in the group Christian Men
"I agree in part, with Mr. Murray. Certainly the moral question and the God question needs to be raised in our society -- a society where nobody is supposed to suggest something is wrong (like divorce etc) or right (like standing against sin).…"
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Ken D Books replied to Will Gentile's discussion School carnage: Blame church, not God or guns in the group Christian Men
"God hates divorce."
Dec 18, 2012
Will Gentile replied to Will Gentile's discussion School carnage: Blame church, not God or guns in the group Christian Men
"Why is there no national conversation about the divorce? Amid all of the ridiculous politicization of the gun angle in the wake of Sandy Hook, and even a few calls for a national discussion on mental illness (one more back door for tyrannies, many),…"
Dec 18, 2012
Ken D Books replied to Will Gentile's discussion School carnage: Blame church, not God or guns in the group Christian Men
"Gun ownership wasn’t a problem 30 years ago. The culture has changed. There are no longer any social or moral taboos. Anything goes. Isn’t that what young people are taught? Governments and the libertine culture create a problem and…"
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Jack Bauer replied to Will Gentile's discussion School carnage: Blame church, not God or guns in the group Christian Men
"Every opportunist tries to spin every tragedy to suit his agenda.  I have no less disdain for it even when I generally agree with the agenda. High-minded bedwetters really want to take a grand lesson about society, or law, or religion, or…"
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Sam Riddle replied to Will Gentile's discussion School carnage: Blame church, not God or guns in the group Christian Men
"An interesting perspective to say the least.  I certainly understand the "feel good culture" that is pushed by too many churches, but I think the author is hitting on a few points while missing others.  As such, I will speak more…"
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School carnage: Blame church, not God or guns

Not to take away from the discussion in TGD regarding "Yet Another School Shooting", but I'd like to open up a Christian-based discussion regarding the current state of affairs in our Country, by posting this article by William J. Murray (son of infamous Madalyn Murray O'Hair), and also chairman of the Washington, D.C.-based Religious Freedom Coalition and the author of seven books including …See More
Dec 17, 2012
Liam S. replied to Will Gentile's discussion Are There Any Patriots Left? in the group Christian Men
"1. Filial piety has nothing to do with religion or god either. Just ask Confucius (for whom this was a central tenet). 2. If this is a "limit" of enlightenment, I feel it simultaneously exposes a flaw in such a concept of patriotism that…"
Dec 13, 2012
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"Well cause Iowa sucks"
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Nick H replied to Will Gentile's discussion "Palestine" Upgraded; Human Rights Downgraded! in the group The Great Debate
"Spend any time in the generic drug industry and you'll develop a big respect for Israel as well."
Dec 2, 2012

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"Live life, then, with a due sense of responsibility, not as men who do not know the meaning and purpose of life but as those who do. Make the best use of your time, despite all the difficulties of these days. Don't be vague but firmly grasp what you know to be the will of the Lord." - St. Paul in a letter to the Ephesian Christians

"We all tend to be infatuated with the idea of strength - but we fail to realize that all true strength is grounded in humility. We still relegate humility to the pale ranks of passive virtues and ornamental graces, whereas, in its legitimate development, it is a stout and soldierly quality. Humility, indeed, is simply a sense of reality and proportion. It is grounded upon a knowledge of the truth about ourselves and about God. "The reason why God is so great a lover of humility," says St. Vincent d Paul, "is because He is the great Lover of truth. Now humility is nothing but truth, whilst pride is nothing but lying."" - E. Herman

"You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with" (Jim Rohn).

Prejudice or Gift

It was not from pure prejudice that God equipped spiders to skitter, lions to spring, and donkeys to plod. It was His concern for a universe that could function together in harmony. The part each was to play in the harmony was determined as carefully as (infinitely more carefully than) the orchestration of a symphony. God did it with generosity; He did it with love; He did it with grace. His gifts to men and women are not, any more than His gifts to lions or spiders, "equal." They are complementary. They contribute to the harmony or the design. It was grace, the Bible says, which gave those differing gifts. Furthermore, the anatomical difference is very far from irrelevant to the overall plan. It is wholly and wonderfully relevant.

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At 8:12pm on December 1, 2012, Will Gentile said…
"It is hard to make a choice of the most beautiful passage in a book which is so gemmed with beautiful passages as the Bible; but it is certain that not many things within its lids may take rank above the exquisite story of Joseph.

Who taught those ancient writers their simplicity of language, their felicity of expression, their pathos, and above all, their faculty of sinking themselves entirely out of sight of the reader and making the narrative stand out alone and seem to tell itself?

Shakespeare is always present when one reads his book; Macaulay is present when we follow the march of his stately sentences; but the Old Testament writers are hidden from view." - Samuel Clemens
At 10:00pm on November 27, 2012, Will Gentile said…
All worldviews claim exclusivity, but somehow it is popular to hit the Christian as the only one that lays claim to this.
At 9:07pm on November 21, 2012, Will Gentile said…
I don't disagree. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.
At 5:10pm on November 21, 2012, Liam S. said…

its combination of moral relativism and the division of the world between strong and weak, Western and non-Western, and rich and poor, rather than between good and evil.


Sometimes there is good versus evil, and sometimes some people try to paint things which are not, with those brushes. The challenge is knowing the difference, it is not always obvious.

At 4:41pm on November 21, 2012, Will Gentile said…
General Thanksgiving

By the PRESIDENT of the United States Of America


WHEREAS it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favour; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a DAY OF PUBLICK THANKSGIVING and PRAYER, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"


THEREFORE, I do recommend and assign THURSDAY, the TWENTY-SIXTH DAY of NOVEMBER next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed;-- for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish Constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted;-- for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge;-- and, in general, for all the great and various favours which He has been pleased to confer upon us.

And also, that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other

transgressions;-- to enable us all, whether in publick or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us); and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

GIVEN under my hand, at the city of New-York, the third day of October, in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-nine. (signed) G. Washington
At 4:38pm on November 21, 2012, Will Gentile said…
Our Nation’s first Thanksgiving occurred in 1789. Of significance, the first act after the Founding Fathers framed the Bill of Rights, which prohibited the establishment of religion, was to pass a resolution thanking “Almighty God” for their many blessings he had poured down upon them. Accordingly, they requested President George Washington to announce a “Day of Public Thanksgiving and Prayer.” Washington enthusiastically agreed.

Happy Thanksgiving!
At 12:39pm on November 20, 2012, Will Gentile said…

You should really blow out that map a bit, Liam. 

Try to find Israel on that map.  It is so small it is hard to see.  And then look around at the Arab/Muslim states that surround her.

On Friday, on its front page, the Times featured two three-column wide photos. The top one was of Gaza Muslim mourners alongside the dead body of al-Jabari. The photo below was of Israeli Jews mourning alongside the dead body of Mira Scharf, a 27-year-old mother of three.
What possible reason could there be for the New York Times to give identical space to these two pictures? One of the dead, after all, was a murderer, and the other was one of his victims.
The most plausible reason is that the Times wanted to depict through pictures a sort of moral equivalence: Look, sophisticated Times readers, virtually identical scenes of death and mourning on both sides of the conflict. How tragic.
If one had no idea what had triggered this war, one would read and see the Times coverage and conclude that two sides killing each other were both equally at fault.
This is the mainstream (i.e., liberal) media's approach. The Los Angeles Times headline on the same day was: "Israel and Gaza veering down familiar, bitter path,"
Same presentation: two scorpions fighting in a bottle.
Examples are endless. Here is one more:
In 2002, there was widespread Nigerian Muslim opposition to the Miss World pageant scheduled to take place that year in Nigeria. Defending the pageant, a Nigerian female reporter wrote a column in which she said that not only were the contestants not "whores," as alleged by the Muslim protestors, but they were such fine women that "Muhammad would probably have taken one of the contestants for a wife."
That one sentence led to Muslim rioting, the beating and killing of Christians, the burning of churches and the razing of her newspaper's offices.
How did the New York Times report the events?
"Fiery Zealotry Leaves Nigeria in Ashes Again."
No group is identified as responsible. "Fiery zealotry," not Muslim violence, was responsible.
The article then begins: "The beauty queens are gone now, chased from Nigeria by the chaos in Kaduna."
Again, Muslim rioters weren't responsible for chasing the beauty queens out of Nigeria; it was "chaos."
The article concludes that what happened in Kaduna was another example of Africa's "difficulty in reconciling people who worship separately." In other words, Christians and Muslims were equally guilty.
As the flagship news source of the left, the New York Times reveals the great moral failing inherent to leftism -- its combination of moral relativism and the division of the world between strong and weak, Western and non-Western, and rich and poor, rather than between good and evil.

At 11:40am on November 20, 2012, Liam S. said…

"Makes a good deterrent."

Or ferments resentment and encourages desperate terrorist acts, rather than diplomacy and peace.

At 11:26am on November 20, 2012, Liam S. said…

How has the New York Times reported this?


3 Israelis killed, 120 Palestinians Dead. They reported it accurately. No doubt, Hamas is a terrorist organization, but Israel's policies towards Palestine over the decades (official and unofficial) have been far from innocent. I do not support Hamas, but I do not condone Israel's actions either.  Witness the current land balance.

At 11:12am on November 20, 2012, Will Gentile said…

Take the war between Israel and Hamas that is taking place right now.
This war is as morally clear as wars get. Hamas is a terrorist organization dedicated to annihilating the Jewish state. It runs a theocratic totalitarian state in Gaza, with no individual liberty and no freedom of speech or press. In a nutshell, Hamas is a violent, fascist organization.
Israel, meanwhile, is one the world's most humane states, not to mention a democracy that is so tolerant that Arab members of its parliament are free to express admiration for Hamas.
Over the past decade, Hamas had launched thousands of rockets into Israel with one aim: to kill and maim as many Israeli citizens as possible -- Israelis at work, at play, asleep in their homes, in their cars. Finally, Israel responded by killing Ahmed al-Jabari, the chief organizer of Hamas violence, the Hamas "military commander" as he was known among Palestinians.
The next day, three more Israelis were killed by rockets.
Then Hamas targeted Tel Aviv, Israel's most densely populated region, and Israel shelled Hamas rocket launching sites.
In other words, an evil entity made war on a peaceful, decent entity, and the latter responded.
How has the New York Times reported this?

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