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Which man exits the elevator first?

Started this discussion. Last reply by David F. Dec 17, 2012. 28 Replies

I'm just curious: How do men figure out who exits the elevator before the other(s)?It's rare that there are 2 women exiting at the same floor in my building, so I just take the prerogative and go…Continue

An academic look at trolling

Started this discussion. Last reply by StaggerLee Oct 18, 2012. 14 Replies

I think this is useful:…Continue

Mostly just for fun: Compile my wedding reception playlist

Started this discussion. Last reply by Margie Aug 7, 2012. 28 Replies

While my fiance and I in theory want a "traditional" wedding reception with dancing, we kind of have a mental block on what music we should play. We're also not sure we want to hire a DJ when music…Continue

Offended to attend a "fake" wedding?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Penelope Aug 7. 113 Replies

Does it, or would it, offend you to be invited/attend a marriage ceremony that was not recognized by the civil government because a civil marriage ceremony had taken place earlier, or was scheduled…Continue


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Penelope replied to Errol R. Alger's discussion Alternatives to Obamacare
"So Obamacare is not Christian, or health insurance is not Christian, and there may be issues with ACA rules and penalties?  That's why we want these alternatives?"
Nov 18
Penelope replied to Errol R. Alger's discussion Alternatives to Obamacare
"Because there might be other alternatives we can point people to."
Nov 18
Penelope replied to Errol R. Alger's discussion Alternatives to Obamacare
"That discount may be comparable to regular insurance in SC.  It's still a negotiation after the fact, where insurers negotiate in advance for their groups.  And for my California family, our EOBs regularly reflect negotiated discounts…"
Nov 17
Penelope replied to Errol R. Alger's discussion Alternatives to Obamacare
"You seem to think we want alternatives to Obamacare.  Why would we want alternatives, besides so we can ourselves pay less for healthcare, and allow healthcare providers to be paid more?"
Nov 17
Penelope replied to Errol R. Alger's discussion Alternatives to Obamacare
"Or the difference between a patient share/copay and a deductible. This will boggle his mind:  Were his wife on his insurance, chances are that insurance would have contracted with the surgeon, etc. for a price for her care much less than…"
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Penelope replied to Errol R. Alger's discussion Alternatives to Obamacare
"The employer plan may not have covered family members, or may not have paid anything towards family premiums.  My last employer was headed in that direction.  It's one of the reasons I changed jobs. I'm not sure what OP means by…"
Nov 17
Penelope replied to Errol R. Alger's discussion Alternatives to Obamacare
"Health insurance through your employer is not individual health insurance.  It's group health insurance provided to an individual. My question is, what problem is this post addressing?  The fines?  The mandatory coverages? …"
Nov 17
Penelope replied to Shane's discussion Can we influence our emotional state by manipulating our environment or context?
"Way to get rid of it - Find a job you like better than or equal to your weekends OR set up some small reward for the day of the week you like the least.  Monday will be the one workday you pack cookies in your lunch, or whatever."
Nov 17
Penelope replied to Errol R. Alger's discussion Alternatives to Obamacare
"So "Obamacare" here means the legislation, not health insurance acquired through the exchanges?  Several insurers still offer health insurance to individuals outside the exchanges."
Nov 17
Penelope replied to Daniel's discussion Family Matters in the group Christian Men
"In my life, religious differences first came up due to religious practices.  I remember being about 6 and asking my Jewish aunt where she put her Christmas tree.  The idea that anyone wouldn't have a Christmas tree was unfathomable to…"
Nov 14
Penelope replied to Steven Carpenter's discussion Fresh career. Love my job. Suck at it!
"I've been in a similar situation for the last year.  I still don't know if the problem was me or my managers or some combination.  Ideas: *If there's someone more senior to you but in a similar position, casually bring up…"
Nov 13
Penelope replied to Vendetta5885's discussion Catholic going to a different Church? in the group Christian Men
"The Roman Catholic Church generally doesn't consider the sacraments of other churches valid, of course.  And a lot of other churches don't practice the sacraments, even from those other churches' perspectives - especially not all…"
Nov 13
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Penelope replied to Jason McGinty's discussion Girlfriend asked me what I want for Christmas
"You should first set a budget together, or maybe you'll make each other's gifts, if you're into "something creative."  "Something creative" means "do-it-yourself" to me."
Nov 12
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"There's a link"
Nov 11
Penelope replied to The Eyeball Kid's discussion Offended by the term "millenial'
"Yes, every older generation blasts the next one as spoiled, lazy, etc.  I think this is because every generation makes life better for the next one.  Young people today enjoy the technologies and infrastructure developed by older people -…"
Nov 10

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It's a Wonderful Life, Casablanca, Master and Commander, Shawshank Redemption, Winnie the Pooh and the Search for Christopher Robin, Amazing Grace, Anatomy of a Murder, Adam's Rib
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St. Thomas Aquinas on Women

Posted on November 14, 2014 at 2:49pm 0 Comments

D L quotes St. Thomas wildly out of context.  It's a quote from an objection in the Summa Theologica.  The Summa proceeds by posing a question which St. Thomas will answer.  He first raises objections to his planned answer.  Then he gives his answer, with a reasoned argument and quotes from authorities.  Finally, he responds to the objections.  This is a format used by many writers from that period.

D L's quote is from an objection, so it is a position that St. Thomas…


On Paquette and Trinity Western

Posted on October 8, 2014 at 12:07pm 0 Comments

I've probably been discriminated against because I attended very religious schools, but those people had the good sense not to say anything about it.  They just rejected my applications.  Obviously, if it's true the wilderness tour company rejected Paquette's application because she didn't meet their qualifications, they too should have just kept quiet.  I imagine Trinity Western graduates all have a story of a graduate program or job they suspect they were rejected for because they attended…


On Freely Choosing Chastity

Posted on August 22, 2013 at 2:00pm 9 Comments

I'm not sure what's meant by "freely choosing." I had opportunities for sex before I got married, and chose not to. My choice was based in my moral understanding, which was formed by my upbringing and my friends and family. But I didn't fear violence or financial repercussions from them if I fornicated.

Now that I'm married, I'm ambivalent about my choice. The consequences were not entirely positive physically, emotionally, or relationally. Nor are my moral principles so strong that…


Mental health and guns (Can't get into TGD)

Posted on December 17, 2012 at 2:43pm 0 Comments

I had something long on why mental health screenings for gun purchasers will never work, but I see TGD doesn't understand mental healthcare to begin with.

Though mental illnesses are more treatable than the most feared bodily illnesses, and kill just as many people, and certainly have more sufferers, they are handled differently and less by our "healthcare system."

What really gets my goat are the financial disincentives for seeking treatment. I have heard (pre-Obamacare)…


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At 7:45pm on August 6, 2014, Vytautas said…

Then wise Penelope came forth from her chamber like unto Artemis or golden Aphrodite, and for her they set by the fire, where she was wont to sit, a chair inlaid with spirals of ivory and silver, which of old the craftsman Icmalius had made, and had set beneath it a foot-stool for the feet, that was part of the chair, and upon it a great fleece was wont to be laid. On this then wise Penelope sat down, and the white-armed maids came forth from the women's hall. These began to take away the abundant food, the tables, and the cups from which the lordly men had been drinking, and they cast the embers from the braziers on to the floor, and piled upon the braziers fresh logs in abundance, to give light and warmth.

At 11:23pm on August 4, 2014, Michael D. Denny said…

"Penelope" ? 

At 6:15pm on March 2, 2014, Walter B. Pewen said…

Again, but is OP a young Bay Area professional???

At 2:56pm on March 2, 2014, Walter B. Pewen said…

Way too much language, also.

At 2:51pm on March 2, 2014, Walter B. Pewen said…

Still, after an evening of thinking a bit on your advice to OP yesterday-can't get over the level of detachment in your statements.  He made no mention of his skills level.  Could he actually qualify for a job in tech?  Maybe you are overreaching-sounds like lost in a world of great intellectual postulating beyond any kind actual "tending your own garden.


At 8:32pm on January 29, 2014, Scott L Ferrell said…

Thank you so much. Took care of it earlier today. 

At 8:59pm on August 5, 2012, Michael D. Denny said…

To be fair, that is pretty impressive for a pump house. 

At 9:01pm on September 16, 2011, Michael D. Denny said…
Not cold enough ere for them yet. Though today we are experiencing a cold snap. High about 70.
At 10:10pm on April 7, 2011, Kevin Collier said…
Possibly put the material in your checked luggage.
At 8:17pm on April 6, 2011, Kevin Collier said…
Hi Rebekah, on the "safety" issue, TSA would be allowed broad discretion in looking for contraband. If traveling with the hypothetical gold chain, I can see them arguing that it is privileged, but still would have to be "documented" for Custom's purposes.

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