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Penelope's Discussions

Which man exits the elevator first?

Started this discussion. Last reply by David F. Dec 17, 2012. 28 Replies

I'm just curious: How do men figure out who exits the elevator before the other(s)?It's rare that there are 2 women exiting at the same floor in my building, so I just take the prerogative and go…Continue

An academic look at trolling

Started this discussion. Last reply by StaggerLee Oct 18, 2012. 14 Replies

I think this is useful:…Continue

Mostly just for fun: Compile my wedding reception playlist

Started this discussion. Last reply by Marlie Aug 7, 2012. 27 Replies

While my fiance and I in theory want a "traditional" wedding reception with dancing, we kind of have a mental block on what music we should play. We're also not sure we want to hire a DJ when music…Continue

Offended to attend a "fake" wedding?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Penelope Aug 7, 2014. 113 Replies

Does it, or would it, offend you to be invited/attend a marriage ceremony that was not recognized by the civil government because a civil marriage ceremony had taken place earlier, or was scheduled…Continue


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Penelope replied to Milo Morris's discussion The shocking pain of American men
"Properly prescribed psychiatric meds will help with concentration and motivation."
Oct 18
Penelope replied to Milo Morris's discussion The shocking pain of American men
"Yup, Nick"
Oct 18
Penelope replied to Sir's discussion What college freshmen should know
"I just wish I had more introduction to my school and its school - its history (now our history) and a timeline overview of what I was about to study Could be covered in 2 lectures"
Oct 3
Penelope replied to Clint B.'s discussion Interested Undergraduate who has no clue in the group Lawyers and Law Students
"Go to your school's career services office and figure out what the tests and applications are. Figure out which of your poli sci profs has a J.D., go to office hours, and ask him about it. Spend 5 minutes a week reading…"
Sep 15
Penelope replied to N Fan's discussion How do you commemorate 9/11?
"I didn't bother with WestLaw, and (erroneously) trusted Wikipedia, but 9/11 was made Patriot's Day, a perpetual holiday, by Congressional act or executive order."
Sep 15
Penelope replied to N Fan's discussion How do you commemorate 9/11?
"I re-read what I read on 9/10 - Plato's Meno or "Learning in War Time" by CS Lewis"
Sep 13
Penelope replied to N Fan's discussion How do you commemorate 9/11?
"PL 111-13"
Sep 13
Penelope replied to David R.'s discussion Oops! in the group Christian Men
"It was actually the man who said Jacob/Israel wrestled with God."
Aug 20
Penelope replied to Specs's discussion Women use Men for free food.
"My grandmother's line to my uncle was "It's just as easy to fall in love with a rich girl as it is to fall in love with a poor girl.""
Aug 3
Penelope replied to Specs's discussion Women use Men for free food.
"Married almost 3 years, and I still do this.  My husband can calculate tips better, and his wallet fits in his pocket, whereas I don't always have my handbag/wallet. But, he's only been employed 3 months of those 3 years, and all our…"
Aug 1
Penelope replied to David R.'s discussion How women dress
"Ever seen the pictures of Pan Am and Southwest stewardesses from the '60s?  Hemlines go up and down. There's lots of factors in play on the other issues, but I liken women's bodies : women's clothes : conic geometry : :…"
Jul 14
Penelope replied to Daniel O.'s discussion Engagement Ring Help
"Listen to Emily Post.  Amy Vanderbilt said something similar in 1958.  It is not new-fangled advice. If you refuse this advice, know that designer rings (eg, by Tiffany, Cartier, Vera Wang) advertised in fashion magazines aren't…"
Jul 12
Penelope replied to Pale Horse's discussion Christian-only Alternative to Freemasonry
"So, not the Knights of Columbus? Gideons? Salvation Army?"
Jul 11
Penelope replied to J.S. Price's discussion Are there any remaining places exclusively for men?
"My point was that men who want men-only places should work to make and maintain them.  Under the law, it is hard to have a men-only for-profit business.  But that doesn't mean there can't be private functions (like a poker night…"
Jun 30
Pale Horse commented on Penelope's status
"I think she means philosophy is manly."
Jun 28
Sir commented on Penelope's status
"You lost me. Unless you're saying artificial intelligence research is manly."
Jun 28

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Anglican liturgics, enforcement of judgments, baking, Latin
Books I'll admit to having read in the last 6 months, or am presently reading: 1928 Book of Common Prayer, 1940 Hymnal, Anglican Missal (People's Edition), Plotinus' Enneads
It's a Wonderful Life, Casablanca, Master and Commander, Shawshank Redemption, Winnie the Pooh and the Search for Christopher Robin, Amazing Grace, Anatomy of a Murder, Adam's Rib
past favorite composers: Byrd, Tallis, Gibbons, Handel, Haydn, Bach, and Mozart
Also, John Rutter and Vaughn Williams
Recover all thy sigh-blown age
On double pleasures: leave thy cold dispute
Of what is fit, and not.

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Penelope's Blog

St. Thomas Aquinas on Women

Posted on November 14, 2014 at 2:49pm 0 Comments

D L quotes St. Thomas wildly out of context.  It's a quote from an objection in the Summa Theologica.  The Summa proceeds by posing a question which St. Thomas will answer.  He first raises objections to his planned answer.  Then he gives his answer, with a reasoned argument and quotes from authorities.  Finally, he responds to the objections.  This is a format used by many writers from that period.

D L's quote is from an objection, so it is a position that St. Thomas…


On Paquette and Trinity Western

Posted on October 8, 2014 at 12:07pm 0 Comments

I've probably been discriminated against because I attended very religious schools, but those people had the good sense not to say anything about it.  They just rejected my applications.  Obviously, if it's true the wilderness tour company rejected Paquette's application because she didn't meet their qualifications, they too should have just kept quiet.  I imagine Trinity Western graduates all have a story of a graduate program or job they suspect they were rejected for because they attended…


On Freely Choosing Chastity

Posted on August 22, 2013 at 2:00pm 8 Comments

I'm not sure what's meant by "freely choosing." I had opportunities for sex before I got married, and chose not to. My choice was based in my moral understanding, which was formed by my upbringing and my friends and family. But I didn't fear violence or financial repercussions from them if I fornicated.

Now that I'm married, I'm ambivalent about my choice. The consequences were not entirely positive physically, emotionally, or relationally. Nor are my moral principles so strong that…


Mental health and guns (Can't get into TGD)

Posted on December 17, 2012 at 2:43pm 0 Comments

I had something long on why mental health screenings for gun purchasers will never work, but I see TGD doesn't understand mental healthcare to begin with.

Though mental illnesses are more treatable than the most feared bodily illnesses, and kill just as many people, and certainly have more sufferers, they are handled differently and less by our "healthcare system."

What really gets my goat are the financial disincentives for seeking treatment. I have heard (pre-Obamacare)…


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At 12:37am on May 27, 2015, Gentleman Engineer said…

I would exist with curiosity about the opine of your possession regarding

At 11:23pm on August 4, 2014, Michael D. Denny said…

"Penelope" ? 

At 6:15pm on March 2, 2014, Walter B. Pewen said…

Again, but is OP a young Bay Area professional???

At 2:56pm on March 2, 2014, Walter B. Pewen said…

Way too much language, also.

At 2:51pm on March 2, 2014, Walter B. Pewen said…

Still, after an evening of thinking a bit on your advice to OP yesterday-can't get over the level of detachment in your statements.  He made no mention of his skills level.  Could he actually qualify for a job in tech?  Maybe you are overreaching-sounds like lost in a world of great intellectual postulating beyond any kind actual "tending your own garden.


At 8:32pm on January 29, 2014, Scott L Ferrell said…

Thank you so much. Took care of it earlier today. 

At 8:59pm on August 5, 2012, Michael D. Denny said…

To be fair, that is pretty impressive for a pump house. 

At 9:01pm on September 16, 2011, Michael D. Denny said…
Not cold enough ere for them yet. Though today we are experiencing a cold snap. High about 70.
At 10:10pm on April 7, 2011, Kevin Collier said…
Possibly put the material in your checked luggage.
At 8:17pm on April 6, 2011, Kevin Collier said…
Hi Rebekah, on the "safety" issue, TSA would be allowed broad discretion in looking for contraband. If traveling with the hypothetical gold chain, I can see them arguing that it is privileged, but still would have to be "documented" for Custom's purposes.

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Seanwm42 replied to Ian M's discussion Told "I love you" after two months, I responded with silence
"I don't think it's something you can "pro and con" though, bro. That's like for buying houses and cars. I think its supposed to Have you ever said it to any girl before? "
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