"The Newsweek link doesn't really seem to get to deeply into specifics. It's mostly generalities, without specific examples. It sounds like Evan Smith is trying to deride conservative elements in his (and my) home state."
"...should have kept my ass in the Army...going to school (again) but maintaining a shitty factory job just to pay the bills and feed the family.
that welding thing is interesting but I don't like heights. (live in Chicago)"
"hello all, new to the site and to this forum:
for me we have to be a 2 car family. She uses the minivan because she has the boys (3) and I use the "bucket," a '96 Neon as my work car. (I work in aerospace…"
learning to be an office worker, boat building, reading, money:-)
For your own good: hidden cruelty in child-rearing and the roots of violence
By Alice Miller
For Your Own Good, the contemporary classic exploring the serious if not gravely dangerous consequences parental cruelty can bring to bear on children everywhere, is one of the central works by Alice Miller, the celebrated Swiss psychoanalyst. With her typically lucid, strong, and poetic language, Miller investigates the personal stories and case histories of various self-destructive and/or violent individuals to expand on her theories about the long-term affects of abusive child-rearing. Her conclusions—on what sort of parenting can create a drug addict, or a murderer, or a Hitler—offer much insight, and make a good deal of sense, while also straying far from psychoanalytic dogma about human nature, which Miller vehemently rejects. This important study paints a shocking picture of the violent world—indeed, of the ever-more-violent world—that each generation helps to create when traditional upbringing, with its hidden cruelty, is perpetuated. The book also presents readers with useful solutions in this regard—namely, to resensitize the victimized child who has been trapped within the adult, and to unlock the emotional life that has been frozen in repression.
The sacred depths of nature
By Ursula Goodenough
For many of us, the great scientific discoveries of the modern age--the Big Bang, evolution, quantum physics, relativity-- point to an existence that is bleak, devoid of meaning, pointless. But in The Sacred Depths of Nature, eminent biologist Ursula Goodenough shows us that the scientific world view need not be a source of despair. Indeed, it can be a wellspring of solace and hope. This eloquent volume reconciles the modern scientific understanding of reality with our timeless spiritual yearnings for reverence and continuity. Looking at topics such as evolution, emotions, sexuality, and death, Goodenough writes with rich, uncluttered detail about the workings of nature in general and of living creatures in particular. Her luminous clarity makes it possible for even non-scientists to appreciate that the origins of life and the universe are no less meaningful because of our increasingly scientific understanding of them. At the end of each chapter, Goodenough's spiritual reflections respond to the complexity of nature with vibrant emotional intensity and a sense of reverent wonder. A beautifully written celebration of molecular biology with meditations on the spiritual and religious meaning that can be found at the heart of science, this volume makes an important contribution to the ongoing dialog between science and religion. This book will engage anyone who was ever mesmerized--or terrified--by the mysteries of existence.
A short history of nearly everything
By Bill Bryson
In A Walk in the Woods, Bill Bryson trekked the Appalachian Trail -- well, most of it. In In A Sunburned Country, he confronted some of the most lethal wildlife Australia has to offer. Now, in his biggest book, he confronts his greatest challenge: to understand -- and, if possible, answer -- the oldest, biggest questions we have posed about the universe and ourselves. Taking as territory everything from the Big Bang to the rise of civilization, Bryson seeks to understand how we got from there being nothing at all to there being us. To that end, he has attached himself to a host of the world’s most advanced (and often obsessed) archaeologists, anthropologists, and mathematicians, travelling to their offices, laboratories, and field camps. He has read (or tried to read) their books, pestered them with questions, apprenticed himself to their powerful minds. A Short History of Nearly Everything is the record of this quest, and it is a sometimes profound, sometimes funny, and always supremely clear and entertaining adventure in the realms of human knowledge, as only Bill Bryson can render it. Science has never been more involving or entertaining.
Thank you for your comment. It means a great deal to me. Trying to have a discussion with that man is like hitting a pillow, no impact is made. He insinuates and then denies and accuses. It is a well-know if not legitimate style of debate, used by people who wish to win rather than share information. He is not a debater, he just likes to argue. A pity really, as I come on here to discuss and learn the feelings of others. I still am not sure of his. So it goes.
Thanks a lot John. Always great to be around blue collar men, doing what it is that blue collar men do, and that's hold this country together. It's just good to know that there is a forum like this for blue collar GENTLEMEN to discuss things, share ideas, agree, disagree, and tell big fish stories. Well done Sir.
I've posted the question. I sent the friend request, so I could ask you, privately, about the appropriateness. My concern was the mention of specific companies, by name.
The question is about Multi-level marketing companies: does anyone have any experience with them, that they'd like to talk about. I was wondering if specific companies could or should be named. Thanks.
John, I have a question I'd like to submit, but I'd like to run it by you, first, as to the appropriateness for the Bluecollar Manliness group, or your suggestions of other groups if you feel otherwise. Thanks!
"Sorry Prescott I didn't mean to downplay your issues.
I echo a lot of what the guys are saying here. Friendship comes first and you need to sit him down and tell him how you feel and what you are seeing. And if it is making you uncomfortable…"
""Two of my only true friends"....its hard but take a look at your life and expand your social circle...this is a bigger issue than your question. What happens when they break up and you potentially lose both of them?"
"I don't know...that's possible. But believe me, it's NOT like I'm hooked on some idea that I could be with her. Like I said, I know better than to cross that line. I hang out with them a lot because they are two of my only true…"
"Oh, and quit the roids, man. It has been documented to cause, small testicles, male pattern baldness, infertility, and heart issues. Your heart is a muscle, too. All those anabolic steroids affect it just like your biceps or quads."
"I had a good upper-body workout today: cables, with a few extra reps; 20 dead-hang pullups; three reverse pullups; 246 pushups over 11 sets, including 14 knuckle pushups [my best]; body rows, etc. Then I ran 4.75 miles in 45 minutes on the…"