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Jack Donovan replied to Billy D's discussion Vocation and Telos in the group Philosophers"I haven't posted here or really followed the site in a long time, but this caught my eye. There's some good thinking about this in the book (recently in paperback) Shop Class as Soulcraft, by Matthew B. Crawford."
Billy D added a discussion to the group Philosophers
Vocation and Telos
Having started a similar discussion in the Catholic Men section, I found quickly that my musings were perhaps more appropriate for this board. And so...Especially with reference to the most recent AoM article on vocation (Finding Your Calling Part III: Why Pursue a Vocation?) and the idea of self-fulfillment as the motivation for finding one's vocation I would like to propose the following:The idea of vocation is best understood in the context of a sense of "telos," (Gk for "final end") as it…See More
Billy D replied to Billy D's discussion Vocation and Telos in the group Catholic Men"The most recent posting on Vocation illustrates precisely a huge point of departure for the Catholic when talking to the atheist about vocation. The thesis being presented in "Finding Your Calling Part III: Why Pursue a Vocation?" is that…"
Billy D replied to Will's discussion Contraception in the group Catholic Men""That doesn't address why NFP is OK for serious reason but condoms aren't"
Ok so maybe this could help a bit. The Church teaches that the sexual relationship between man and has two meanings: the unitive and the procreative.…"
Billy D replied to Billy D's discussion Vocation and Telos in the group Catholic Men"Yes I see what you mean but there is a difference between vocation and duty. As far as being the best student you can be or the best engineer you can be - that's all fine, but that's not a perduring vocation in the religious sense. One day…"
Billy D replied to Billy D's discussion Vocation and Telos in the group Catholic Men"Interesting that you should mention the Protestant idea of vocation, because to me it seems as if a Protestant minister is somewhere between these. He might say "I am a minister" the way that my father says "I am a business…"
Native Son replied to Billy D's discussion Vocation and Telos in the group Catholic Men"I'd say there are two different definitions of "vocation", one concerned with one's faith, and one concerned with one's temporal livelihood.
A Catholic's religious vocation is the answer to God's call. The call to…"
Sean Grogan replied to Billy D's discussion Vocation and Telos in the group Catholic Men"And just to add, i figure some people may argue that being a student (best friend, etc.) is not a vocation. But it can be. I am putting all of my efforts into being a student. how is that different than a priest putting his efforts into being a…"
Sean Grogan replied to Billy D's discussion Vocation and Telos in the group Catholic Men"In the wonderful 21st century, groups like this I feel help bring thoughts, ideas, and opinions together that would not have been brought together even 15 years ago. So even having this discussion is a step in the right direction to "present…"
Billy D added a discussion to the group Catholic Men
Vocation and Telos
I've been interested in the recent posting on AoM about the idea of "vocation." Obviously the Catholic Church has a little bit different idea about vocation than what's been posted here, but nonetheless I think that they have been pretty good articles. What do you guys think can be added to the main discussion though, by importing a notion of vocation more along the lines of the Catholic way of thinking. I see three main areas of difference between what the Church means by vocation and what…See More
Billy D replied to Will's discussion Contraception in the group Catholic Men"I have a bit of a bone to pick with West on this one though, because allowing Grandma to die eventually is a little different from NFP. Using NFP involves avoiding (albeit through temporary abstinence which is, in itself, a type of inaction) one of…"
Billy D replied to Rawb's discussion What is Your Ideal Catholic Men's Book? in the group Catholic Men"I would say "True Devotion to Mary" by St. Louis Marie de Monfort because it lays out a very simple way to go to Jesus through Mary which nonetheless takes a lifetime to master. Similarly with "Imitation of Christ": it's…"
Billy D replied to John M. Dolph's discussion Hegel to Marx in German Philosophy in the group Philosophers"I'm no expert in the technicalities of Marixst revolutionary principles. What you say here may very well be true. Lenin was certainly of the opinion that the first stage wass a violent revolution, followed by the dictatorship of the…"
Patrick Walsh replied to Billy D's discussion Freemasonry and Catholic Manliness in the group Catholic Men"I may have some research to do. I'm a former Wiccan/Pagan so I know something abour the perverse nature of taking something from the church and turning it into something disgusting. Whether or not Masonry does this...I'm unsure. And…"
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- At 10:23am on April 17, 2010,
Michael J. Austin said… - HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!!
- At 4:03pm on February 6, 2010,
Herb Munson said… - Alright! Welcome to The Great Debate. Great to have you with us.
- At 10:41am on February 6, 2010, Michael J. Austin said…
- Hello and welcome to the site !!!!
- At 11:23pm on February 5, 2010, Herb Munson said…
- Hi there Billy. Welcome to AoM. Also, thought I'd give you a friendly invite to check out my group, The Great Debate. Just click on "Groups." It's the one with the colorful galaxy picture. It's also one of the most active groups on AoM. In any case, great to have you aboard.
- At 11:05pm on February 5, 2010,
thehuhman said… - Welcome to the AoM Community, Billy. We're glad you're here!
- At 4:19pm on February 5, 2010,
Dwane Lay said… - Welcome to AoM!
If you enjoy reading, you are welcome to join our book of the month club. Link is below, hope to see you there!
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