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Government Services

Started by Shane. Last reply by Titus Techera 5 hours ago. 21 Replies

Not to pick on Chuck, but his post over in the Militia discussion hit on something I've come across a few times lately, the extent of government in our lives.  From Chuck's post, mine in blue:I would…Continue

Militias, politics, anti-2nd amendment hysteria and the Bundy issue

Started by Andrew D, USA Ret. Last reply by Andrew D, USA Ret 14 hours ago. 69 Replies

Much of the hysteria, hatred and vituperation slung against Bundy and his supporters, in my opinion have little to do with the legal matters and much to do with the frightening image to some of armed…Continue

Atheism ascendant throughout the world? Evidence shows the opposite

Started by Andrew D, USA Ret. Last reply by Regular Joe yesterday. 19 Replies

Islam is growing in leaps and bounds throughout Africa and other countries, to include a high percentage of Muslim immigrants to Europe; also:China on course to become the world's most Christian…Continue

Political Compass Test

Started by Ben. Last reply by Aaron F Kendrick on Monday. 110 Replies

Take the Test HereWas shown this political social/economic test that places you on a four-way axis, opposites being…Continue

Voter Scrutiny-- What's the Hangup?

Started by Pale Horse. Last reply by William H Lanteigne on Sunday. 52 Replies

    When I was watching the news today, they were talking about Bill O'Reilly's take on better voter scrutiny. Apparently people are saying that having a picture on your social security card violates…Continue

Tags: Privacy, Discrimination, Minorities, Voting, Voter

Nevada Ranch War ...

Started by Jack Bauer. Last reply by Michael B. on Sunday. 363 Replies

Anybody been following the "Range War" in Nevada?  The whole thing reads like a fairly entertaining western movie. As I understand it, the Bundy family has used State land for cattle-grazing purposes…Continue

Obama's Press Secretary decorates his home with Soviet Propaganda!

Started by Andrew D, USA Ret. Last reply by Regular Joe Apr 17. 60 Replies

Here's the purported evidence and article that exposes it:…Continue

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Comment by Will on January 31, 2014 at 10:00am

Good luck with that.

No, more precisely:  give it up.  In meatspace, often the way real men deal with conflict is denial, avoidance, talking behind the other's back, blackballing, and explosions.  We aren't as good as we'd like to think.  

On Internet, the only things I know that work are a) ignoring the problem (almost always works) and b) reporting the post; but that's for extreme circumstances.  OK, in rare circumstances, c) persuasion -- but that works on people that aren't angry with you already.

I suggest you let it go.  This won't go anywhere -- I'm certain of it.  In a perfect world, maybe.

Comment by Pale Horse on January 31, 2014 at 9:30am

Okay, listen. I haven't the foggiest idea of what I did to invoke yours or Lucius' wrath, but we can work it out like men instead of trolling. So what's your beef?

Comment by Native Son on January 31, 2014 at 9:02am

Of course, there's the old "gentlemanly" practice of cutting him dead, aka blackballing him.  Ignoring someone whose posts apparently attempt to simultaneously engage and enrage you seems to work.  

Comment by Steve Dallas on January 31, 2014 at 8:27am

This is about as stupid as the Jane Austin shit my wife watches.

Comment by John Lee Pettimore on January 31, 2014 at 6:23am

@ Lucius: 

Now you have to ask yourself is it possible that John Lee Pettimore is another of JeD's alts. Now he's using JLM and PH at the same time after retiring JeD.


"tl;dr" has been around since before you weren't even a twinkle in your daddy's eye. JeD didn't originate it. Likewise with "sack up".

Your obsession with JeD is troubling. Unless you really are him, of course. In that case he's doing a masterful job of separating the two characters. PH is a much less interesting alt than JeD was.

Comment by John Lee Pettimore on January 31, 2014 at 6:16am


The other possibility is that PH is an alt of JeD. JeD was just devious enough to pull that off. Of course it's difficult to portray a character like PH without violating Kirk Lazarus' advice.

Also possible that 100 pounds of yeast gave John lee some visons...

I don't think it was the yeast. If anything it might have been the liquid dripping from the copper line...

Comment by Chuck Knight on January 31, 2014 at 12:37am

You forgot another possibility, Lucius.  I have real life friends who also have AoM accounts.  It's possible to communicate using this old-fashioned sound-based system that predates the internet.  They used to call it talking to one another.

Comment by Lucius Artorius Castus on January 31, 2014 at 12:07am

"You couldn't know as much as you do without his telling you, but alas, you're account was made Thursday. "

Of course from the outside theres always the possiblity your 130 IQ is argueing with itself for attention.... 

Theres also the possibility that, like myself on many forums I frequent, he was lurking until something needed to be said...

Also its possible that another forum member saw what was missing and created a new persona to bring back what was missing from the site after your childish puppy following convinced JeD to leave, but didnt want to ruin their actual reputation on the site.

Also possible that 100 pounds of yeast gave John lee some visons...

Comment by Native Son on January 30, 2014 at 11:13pm

"Methinks he doth protest too much."

Comment by Pale Horse on January 30, 2014 at 12:22pm

1. As I stated before, he didn't tell me to stop. I got a message from Brett asking me to stop, but it was after a while. After that I did stop.

2. What lines or sayings?? Really, it must have been subconscious, because I don't remember copying him. You're the one saying "tl;dr. Sack up."

I'm pretty sure you're JeD now. You couldn't know as much as you do without his telling you, but alas, you're account was made Thursday. 


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