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Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on April 9, 2012 at 4:39pm

Just deadset-

Permalink Reply by Nick H on April 9, 2012 at 10:28am

Didn't the US public debt climb under Reagan and GW Bush and then only begin to decline under Clinton? 

Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on April 9, 2012 at 11:22am

Not to mention that both Reagan & Mr. Bush wrecked the economy & then Mr. Clinton had to up & save it, much like Mr. Obama nowadays-

Permalink Reply by Nick H on April 9, 2012 at 11:35am

Not trying to be smart about it. I just find it weird that when people here talk about presidents then ignore 8 yrs of Clinton. Point is, US debt was better under his watch. Maybe his doing or maybe the doing of the Republican-controlled congress. I don't know.

Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on April 9, 2012 at 11:44am

Nobody doubts the Reagan revolution, although he did not have Congress, for a stretch there not even one of the two houses. Nobody talks about the Clinton revolution - or what you will - who himself did not have Congress, except for the first two years. I think it has to do with the Democrat pledge to spend their way to national bankruptcy. At least back in the Clinton years, the nation dodged the bullet on healthcare... Hell, there are people alive who remember what it was like to see Democrats pass a budget.

Permalink Reply by Chuck Knight on April 9, 2012 at 7:27pm

I just find it weird that when people here talk about presidents then ignore 8 yrs of Clinton. Point is, US debt was better under his watch. Maybe his doing or maybe the doing of the Republican-controlled congress. I don't know.

 

The Clinton years were mostly uneventful.  That's actually a good thing.  But, consequently, Clinton is mostly forgettable...except for his memorable quotations in Bartlett's.  Few people mention Daddy Bush, either...most people mention him only because of his son, truth be known.

 

If you go back and look...Clinton's first two years were a slashing of the military, and a ramping up of spending and debt due to proposed social programs like HillaryCare.  But, after the Republican victory, and Newt's "Contract with America," that was put to an end, and fiscal responsibility actually reigned for the first time in too many years.

 

Thanks to Reagan, we had enormous amounts of money coming in to the coffers, and thanks to Gingrich, we weren't spending as much...we ended up with an actual budget surplus.  And yes, many give that credit to Bill Clinton.

 

Of course, those are the same deluded fools who think his impeachment had to do with his affair, rather than his crime...perjuring himself while under oath.

Permalink Reply by Liam S. on April 9, 2012 at 10:11pm

Of course, those are the same deluded fools who think his impeachment had to do with his affair, rather than his crime...perjuring himself while under oath.

Nevermind that he was under oath because of a massive ruckus about an affair. 

Permalink Reply by Chuck Knight on April 9, 2012 at 10:38pm

Doesn't matter what they asked him.  He was legally bound to tell the truth.

 

He lied under oath.  A federal crime, in that particular instance.  And, a felony *is* grounds for impeachment *and* removal from office, in that order.

 

You may consider it frivolous...it may *be* frivolous.  But, it's also legal, and quite correct.

Permalink Reply by Liam S. on April 9, 2012 at 10:42pm

I don't disagree. I just don't think it can so casually be divorced from the farce that put him in that position in the first place.

If you're going to hold him up for the perjury. I'm going to hold up the other side for the hypocrisy of the whole damn thing in the first place. Both are shameful. Too bad only one was a crime. 

Permalink Reply by JonEdanger on April 10, 2012 at 5:22am

Nevermind that he was under oath because of a massive ruckus about an affair. 

Wait, wasn't this about the woman he raped? The "better put some ice on that" incident?

No, that's right, it was the Paula Jones sexual harassment trial.

So, Liam, are you in favor of sexual harassment in the workplace? It's ok to lie under oath as long as it is only a sexual harassment trial? How do you explain that to that little boy in your picture?

Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on April 10, 2012 at 5:28am

I just love seeing liberals all of a sudden hate several whistleblowers, pounce on underdogs to defend a powerful man who did reprehensible things, & behave horribly towards women all wrapped into one. So much for principles...

I remember reading a sensible man saying that apparently even Ms. Lewinsky's father cared more about what we are forced to call the president's honor than about his daughter's...

Permalink Reply by Michael D. Denny on April 9, 2012 at 12:31pm

Didn't the US public debt climb under Reagan and GW Bush and then only begin to decline under Clinton? 

In part, yes. The exact how's and why's and rather or not they even count (The cold war, the deals made with the democratic congress, etc,) are all debatable, but as a percentage, national debt went up. Total tax REVENUES, as in sheer dollar amounts, went up significantly under Reagan, but he increased dramatically both infrastructure spending and defense spending. 

 Now, some argue that the improvements in infrastructure and forcing the collapse of the Soviet Union set the foundation for the huge economic expansion in the 90s' and early 2000's (Which is my opinion), but it's an endless debate. 

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