Oh, what a contrast this shows, between leaders.

 

Wow!

 

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Didn't the US public debt climb under Reagan and GW Bush and then only begin to decline under Clinton? 

Not trying to be smart about it. I just find it weird that when people here talk about presidents then ignore 8 yrs of Clinton. Point is, US debt was better under his watch. Maybe his doing or maybe the doing of the Republican-controlled congress. I don't know.

I just find it weird that when people here talk about presidents then ignore 8 yrs of Clinton. Point is, US debt was better under his watch. Maybe his doing or maybe the doing of the Republican-controlled congress. I don't know.

 

The Clinton years were mostly uneventful.  That's actually a good thing.  But, consequently, Clinton is mostly forgettable...except for his memorable quotations in Bartlett's.  Few people mention Daddy Bush, either...most people mention him only because of his son, truth be known.

 

If you go back and look...Clinton's first two years were a slashing of the military, and a ramping up of spending and debt due to proposed social programs like HillaryCare.  But, after the Republican victory, and Newt's "Contract with America," that was put to an end, and fiscal responsibility actually reigned for the first time in too many years.

 

Thanks to Reagan, we had enormous amounts of money coming in to the coffers, and thanks to Gingrich, we weren't spending as much...we ended up with an actual budget surplus.  And yes, many give that credit to Bill Clinton.

 

Of course, those are the same deluded fools who think his impeachment had to do with his affair, rather than his crime...perjuring himself while under oath.

Of course, those are the same deluded fools who think his impeachment had to do with his affair, rather than his crime...perjuring himself while under oath.

Nevermind that he was under oath because of a massive ruckus about an affair. 

Doesn't matter what they asked him.  He was legally bound to tell the truth.

 

He lied under oath.  A federal crime, in that particular instance.  And, a felony *is* grounds for impeachment *and* removal from office, in that order.

 

You may consider it frivolous...it may *be* frivolous.  But, it's also legal, and quite correct.

I don't disagree. I just don't think it can so casually be divorced from the farce that put him in that position in the first place.

If you're going to hold him up for the perjury. I'm going to hold up the other side for the hypocrisy of the whole damn thing in the first place. Both are shameful. Too bad only one was a crime. 

Didn't the US public debt climb under Reagan and GW Bush and then only begin to decline under Clinton? 


In part, yes. The exact how's and why's and rather or not they even count (The cold war, the deals made with the democratic congress, etc,) are all debatable, but as a percentage, national debt went up. Total tax REVENUES, as in sheer dollar amounts, went up significantly under Reagan, but he increased dramatically both infrastructure spending and defense spending. 

 Now, some argue that the improvements in infrastructure and forcing the collapse of the Soviet Union set the foundation for the huge economic expansion in the 90s' and early 2000's (Which is my opinion), but it's an endless debate. 

I seem to recall the debt limit being raised when Reagan was in office - multiple times! And nobody threw a tantrum and threatened to start slitting throats. I seem to recall Ronald Reagan increasing the national debt with his Star Wars and other pet projects. I seem to recall George Bush, Sr. warning that decreasing revenues and increasing spending was "voodoo economics." No one listened. 

Yeah, I just don't look back and see Reagan all that fondly

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