Since it seems like somebody's Russian-equipped proxy has either upped the ante big time or committed the biggest aircraft identification blunders since the USS Vincennes "incident in 1988, does anyone want to weigh in on the festering mess? I've seen contradictory reporting, allegations of foul-ups by the Malaysian government, allegations of concealment from the Ukrainians, the Russians, the "separatists", and the US government, a bit of lion roaring from the Brits, and silence from the Malaysians.

And on this site, the crickets are deafening.

Anybody care to weigh in?

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Something like that. Palestinians as an ethnicity are fairly well hated. Almost as hated as the Jews. See, that reagion hasn't had self rule since the Greeks owned it before the Jews circa 1500bce. Since then it's pretty much been one occupation after another.

When the Brits got ahold of it after WW1, they started partitioning it out. After WW2 they finished the job. Europeans are pretty well racist pricks, and they saw an opportunity to kick the Jews out of Europe. So the Brits gave Israel to the Jews, and Trans-Jordan to the Palestinians.

The Jordanians took pretty good offense to that, rebelled, and kicked the Palestinians out. Remember everyone hates Palestinians. So the Palestinians spent a generation or two wandering around the Middle East getting the shit kicked out of them everywhere they went before getting handed over to some other country to get the shit kicked out of them there.

Then there was this thing in the sixties where everyone tried to take over Israel. Israel instead took over a good portion of them.

The Jews finally took pity on the Palestinians and said, "Look cousin, you have ties to this land too. Come on and live with us. We just got some new land that used to be yours anyway." Which was cool. Until, like all asshole cousins, they started thinking they owned the whole place. And so now the Jews are the bad guys for figuring out why everyone thinks the Palestinians are dicks, and not putting up with it. Like everyone else didn't put up with it.

But now, because no one else can get back the land the Jews snatched up when everyone else invaded, they're all screaming about how the Jews stole the land from the Palestinians.

Jews do not like Palestinians for blood ties, but because Israel is the work of socialist atheists. Their idea of policy is, give people a good standard of living, they will abandon non-economic / non-welfare thoughts or habits, sooner or later. Noble men the Zionists, but they knew almost nothing about politics...

Yeah, I condensed 3500 years of history into a few paragraphs. Some eras may have been glossed over.

Welcome back. How's about Uncle Sam avenge the deaths of Americans on that flight with an operation to wipe out those silly terrorists who?

You don't like Ukranians?

I could go either way on Ukrainians. They are no one's enemies. Like everyone who knows what Eastern European politics looks like, I cannot rest easy while Russian power is unbroken. The entire region is defined by the impotence of allying against Russia, even in trying to bring in the EU or NATO to get some kind of safety (Estonia even joined the Euro, I guess, out of strategic desperation). There is nothing nearly as coherent or clear in domestic politics, more or less anywhere...

But this stirring terrorism is stirring terror everywhere where people notice. Then again, most people are great at not noticing. There's some fear whenever news comes up--then it goes away. I think the only constancy is that there is never any good foreign affairs news.

Lame duck Pres. I myself like Regan's response to shit like that.

Yes, & yes...

I blame Russia mostly.  Russia arms dumbasses with weapons that can take down a commercial airliner at altitude.  Dumbasses do what dumbasses do -- mistake a commercial airliner for a cargo plane -- and blast it out of the sky.  300ish people die.  The blood is partially on Russia for arming these idiots in the first place.  If you're going to arm them, at least give 'em weapons they can handle.

 

I do wonder why in the hell Malaysian Airlines was routing a commercial plane over a warzone where a cargo plane had been shot down a few days before.  Seems foreseeable that some asshole with a Russian surface-to-air missile could make a mistake.  Don't fly over warzones where planes are getting shot down.

 

JB

Apparently the routing was simply because it was a shorter distance, and therefore less expensive to fly.  I've seen reporting that the FAA prohibited that particular airway to US airlines back in April, on a "just in case" basis.

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