Since it seems like somebody's Russian-equipped proxy has either upped the ante big time or committed the biggest aircraft identification blunders since the USS Vincennes "incident in 1988, does anyone want to weigh in on the festering mess? I've seen contradictory reporting, allegations of foul-ups by the Malaysian government, allegations of concealment from the Ukrainians, the Russians, the "separatists", and the US government, a bit of lion roaring from the Brits, and silence from the Malaysians.

And on this site, the crickets are deafening.

Anybody care to weigh in?

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No google in Germany?

I think the take-away from this is..... DO NOT FLY ON MALAYSIAN AIRLINES.

Other than that I believe it was a mistake on the part of the separatists who thought they were shooting at a supply aircraft (from the radio intercepts).  Not wanting to own the mess they won't admit the mistake and Russia doesn't want any part of it either.  So, we get finger pointing.

I don't think Russia shot down the plane, they just supplied the weapon system to 'Rebels'.  And what difference does it make whether it was intentional or not?  Why do we have different levels of murder and manslaughter in our court systems?  Accidental shoot down then 90% of the blame goes to Malaysian Air, purposeful shoot down then 100% of the blame goes to the rebels, more aid to Ukraine from other countries to take out such evil people.

Accidental shifts the blame from 'mostly Separatist' to 'mostly Russian'.


JB

Either way I'll never fly Malaysian Air.  One got lost, one got shot, one barely landed.

I'm sorry you can't follow my logic about the courts.

Anyway, I have a computer algorithm that I used to determine fault but I did round off the numbers a bit.  The Malaysian Air fault is actually 89.689323115982234980% and the Rebel's fault was actually 99.78282719238239823423876428%.  The algorithm was developed by an A.I. that I programmed, the first A.I. to pass the Turing Test, thank you very much.  I worked on the A.I. with Bell Labs back in the 70s and then when they were bought out by Alcatel-Lucent I joined up with IBM.  Using some of their work on Deep Blue we were able to streamline the A.I. program so it would respond quicker.  Now I'm working with DARPA and their QC program to improve the A.I. even further. 

The Malaysian Air fault is actually 89.689323115982234980% and the Rebel's fault was actually 99.78282719238239823423876428%.

 

Your algorithm allocated 189.47% of blame.  That seems high.

 

JB

No, I said in one scenario, the one where the rebels accidentally fired the missile the fault would be 90% (rounded up of course) that of Malaysian Air's, in the other scenario the fault would be 100% (again rounded up) would the rebel's.  I'll have to work on my A.I. program as it seems that it, and I, did not take into account potential misunderstandings of basic percentages such as this.

How is that Malaysian Air's fault? That is the standard commercial route and most airlines were not re-routing.

It doesn't matter that other airlines were not rerouting it didn't happen to them, it happened to Malaysian Air's flight.  If it happened to another airline then it would be that airline's fault. 

Anytime you fly a route over a known conflict zone your taking your and your passengers' lives in your hands, and in this case it didn't turn out well.

Analogy time:

If you drive yourself and your family to a downtown venue and there's a neighborhood known for crime such as shootouts, car-jackings, murders, etc. and it's a shorter way to get to where you're going would you still drive through that neighborhood?  If you did and you got caught in a shootout between two rival gangs wouldn't it be at least somewhat your fault?  Personally I would say that anyone who drove through that neighborhood was an idiot for doing so even though it's legal to do so.  Malaysian Air was idiotic not to reroute the flight, the rebels were idiotic to fire on an unknown (or known if it was purposeful), and Russia was idiotic for selling such a weapon system to untrained idiots.  The apportionment of blame (or fault) would be up to whatever court holds jurisdiction but I have my opinions, which I've stated.

"And on this site, the crickets are deafening."

A single f was given for Israel / Gaza, either. 

What's there to say?  Palestinian government fires rockets into Israel to bait them into responding with force.  Israel responds.  Palestinians get indignant.  Lapdogs follow suit.  "How dare those evil Jews respond to our rockets?!?  The fascists are killing all the innocent people that that we put near our rocket launchers.  Netanyahu is Hitler reincarnated!"

 

Its all a Palestinian PR move.  Some buy it.  I don't.  About what you'd expect from a people that elected a terrorist organization.  Democracy ain't for everyone.


JB

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