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Ah, this is where you and I are polar opposites. The "common good" is most certainly not the object of government. Protection of individual life and liberty is the only function of government.

First, service should always be voluntary. An individual voluntarily choosing to defend the lives of other individuals. Second,the only justified war is the self defense. A government goes to war to protect the lives of its own individual's lives. Which is exactly what I previously said. Government exists to protect lives, and private property from aggression.

If most of the young men eligible for enlistment refuse to 'volunteer' for whatever reason then what would you say?

Then I guess we won't be going to war. I think the draft is slavery.

Not slavery per se, but an ill-advised idea, nonetheless. If someone truly does not want to do something, no amount of coercion will force them to do it. I know plenty of people who would take a court martial and jail time rather than serve against their will. Hell, I am one of them. In a military unit, efficacy and safety of that unit is absolutely dependent upon cohesion within the group. How could you expect to maintain cohesion if you have a couple guys who will do anything not to be there? You can't. 

That same sentiment, though is what makes the sacrifice of those voluntarily enlisted all the more important; they do so not because they are forced to, but because they want to and choose to do so.

If you didn't act for the safety of the unit you'd probably be shot... by the unit personnel.

I think service should be mandatory for all citizens.  Otherwise there is no personal knowledge of what freedom actually requires.

Depending on who you are fighting, if enough don't fight, you lose the war and become their slaves anyway.

People like me? I'm a soldier! And an Afghanistan veteran!

First, believe it or not, many many of us veterans are against the draft and for an all volunteer army. I never said there was anything dishonorable about men who were drafted, but I did say that I don't believe in the draft. Most veterans who have bee there wouldn't want the government to force anybody to come with us. I only want guys to my left and right who chose to be there. Also, I never said serving your country and dying for your country was not for the common good. I said government should not try to decide what "the common good" is, and restrict itself to defending life from aggression and defending private property.
I don't understand why you think I am against the military. I never once said the military was invalid, or that service to our country was invalid. I never said that sacrifice of soldiers wasn't honorable. Where are you getting these statements??

Well Stephen I'm all for the draft.  If you can't go you can still do national service.  Everyone.  Like my fathers WWII generation.  Most guys signed up.

I think like any organisation Stephen, you and your fellow soldiers would be against the draft because you know that the sort of man you'd be working with who was there against his will would probably suck at the job. Luckily for you, the demands for manpower in the USA are below supply. If you were fighting in an all out world war in which you were unable to replace your losses due to casualties, you'd might feel different.

As for Walter's comment, that's not true. Most American men did not sign up. Many did, and they should be remembered for their service, and we should also remember those who were conscripted for theirs. But to pretend that men were lining up to kill hitler is just a false myth perpetuated by Hollywood. The majority of the greatest generation soldiers in the USA were conscripted. 2/3rds is one number I've read quoted.

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