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Permalink Reply by LShieldes on July 17, 2012 at 1:13pm

Isn't this the same as your other thread?

"It is neato, therefor it must be from a God, esp MY GOD"

Permalink Reply by Herb Munson on July 17, 2012 at 1:23pm

That's your explanation? A question to a question? Nice debating tactic but dodges the issue.

Permalink Reply by LShieldes on July 17, 2012 at 2:56pm

No, seriously Herb, I see no difference between this thread and the one you posted last week about the Big Bang. It is the exact same argument you are putting forward in that if something is really complex, the answer must be then that there was a maker. And if there was a maker, it must be YOUR God because as you personally used in other places in this thread the Bible that made up YOUR God says it is the right God.
This all takes us back to then your other thread asking what exactly do Atheists even offer. For you, they don't offer easy answers, the atheist or other person requires you to actually think and question and that scares the shit out of people like you.
You have your encycolpedia and as it is holy, it can't change, it can't be wrong. While the rest of the world is this big scary place, you find your solace in what must be right, what must be perfect.

So you question what does evolution have to say? Even a 5th grade reading of evolution tells us that the coloring was there to differentiate, to attract mates, coloring can also be for protecion, intimidation, to hide. Man easily adapts to every environment through the use of tools, but you would have nature UNABLE to adapt to anything without tools.

Permalink Reply by Will on July 17, 2012 at 1:50pm

To be fair, not every post must be a debate. And I'm not sure what there is here to debate. "How can evolution explain feature X?" isn't a position to debate, but a question -- perhaps meant sincerely, perhaps rhetorically, but still a question, not a position.

Permalink Reply by Ian Wilson on July 17, 2012 at 1:23pm

evolution, natural selection, adaptation, and genetic mutation all explain this bird's markings.

and this neither confirms nor denies the existence of God.  this neither confirms nor denies that the world has many beautiful wonders.  did God make and design this bird?  sure, why not.  why assume that God's method for making this bird is how a human would do it?  with a sketchpad, then grab some parts and glue them together all in a day or two.  why can't God's method be evolution, natural selection, adaptation, and genetic mutation?

Permalink Reply by Rick Shelton on July 17, 2012 at 1:35pm

This is, most likely, a male Gouldian Finch.  Because birds see in colors, some see colors we can't, males are colorful to attract mates.  The more colorful the better they can attract mates, which means the continuation of the species, isn't nature wonderful.  What's weird is that the color makes them a better target for lunch for predator species that can also see color; in other words "It's harder to hide when you're colorful.  However, if a male (colorful) bird makes it to maturity without being eaten by a color seeing predator then that bird is a successful bird and therefore a more attractive mate (more likely the 'success' genes will be passed on to the next generation) to the females.

Permalink Reply by Will on July 17, 2012 at 3:06pm

Question answered.

Permalink Reply by Netza R. on July 17, 2012 at 1:45pm

my guess is god personally painted each one with a paintbrush

Permalink Reply by Will on July 17, 2012 at 1:54pm

The best take I know on this issue is in Hitchhiker's Guide. Here's the relevant part on YouTube (start at 0:25): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5mWQFGF7w8

and here's a transcript. Watch the video if you can; it's worth it.

http://www.whysanity.net/monos/hikers.html

Permalink Reply by Herb Munson on July 17, 2012 at 2:08pm

Thanks for the input fellows. These explanations, assumptions and theories are doubtless sufficient to many, but not to me. I'm from Missouri. I would need to see those markings and delineations develop. And since, on the evolutionary side, I cannot because it requires a blind faith in the "great crutch" of billions of years of time, combined with a flimsy appeal to observable change within a species, I must pass. So, doubtless, it all boils down to what one wants and chooses to believe based on what is the most reasonable. Therefore, I will place my faith in the biblical account of creation as related and anchored in history. I believe ex nihilo creation is far more intellectually honest and reasonable because of the fact that God has revealed himself and his truth in history. As you have it in Hebrews 1:1-3,

God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, as in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high...

 

 

Permalink Reply by Rick Shelton on July 17, 2012 at 2:20pm

You're wishing to know the mind of God and you know that's not possible.

Permalink Reply by Herb Munson on July 17, 2012 at 2:31pm

It certainly is not possible  .. if .. God had not revealed himself to us. But, that is exactly what he has done ... in history when he sent us his Son ... in creation through all that he has made (Romans 1:20, For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse...) ... and through his amazing Word, the Bible (2 Timothy 3:15-17, ...and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God [koine Greek: God-breathed], and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

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