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Permalink Reply by Jack Bauer on February 18, 2013 at 1:34pm

I just can't find the logical strand to say that the pro-choice people are "hypocritical" because they are not marching with pro-lifers for this girl to have a choice.

You can't see the "logical strand" in wondering why "pro-choice people" (particularly activists) are not marching "for this girl to have a choice"?

Come on.  Not difficult to follow the logic there.

If, like NARAL or NOW or whomever, your entire job is fighting for "choice" ... and there's a fight going on "for this girl to have a choice" ... and you're nowhere to be found ... it raises legitimate logical questions about whether your mission statement is what you say it is.

If I were pro-choice ... I'd be supremely irritated that people claiming to represent me in the fight for "choice" are allowing pro-lifers to take the lead in the fight "for this girl to have a choice."

JB

Permalink Reply by Todd Serveto on February 18, 2013 at 1:37pm

Well-said, Jack. +1

Permalink Reply by Paul_of_TX on February 18, 2013 at 1:38pm

"Not difficult to follow the logic there."

He's liberal so you can't hold him to logic, facts or reason.

Permalink Reply by Liam S. on February 18, 2013 at 1:46pm

I think Shieldes point is, not marching all up in arms about X, when X already has lots of defenders - does not mean support for Y. 

He's liberal so you can't hold him to logic, facts or reason.

*rolleyes*

Permalink Reply by Shane on February 18, 2013 at 2:12pm

I think Shieldes point is, not marching all up in arms about X, when X already has lots of defenders - does not mean support for Y.

The way Mullah's worldwide don't rise up in protest against Islamic terrorism?

Permalink Reply by Paul_of_TX on February 18, 2013 at 2:33pm

Let's leave out the alternative and simply look at what they claim to support. When groups that support choice do not come out and support choice (because well someone else has this one we'll just take the next one) can we actually believe they support choice? Do they just support choice sometimes? Do they only support choice when it results in abortion? There are very vocal pro-choice groups across the country and I find it very telling that they are not vocal in supporting this choice.

Permalink Reply by LShieldes on February 18, 2013 at 3:15pm

Basically because the case is still pending and is so new, yeah.

Here is the deal, if she was denied her choice by the court, and if NOW or one of the others didn't come out in support, then I would take the side that it is a glaring case of hypocrisy.

But right now, I just am not willing to throw out that accusation. Right now, for me, it is overly emotional and throwing out accusations based on wanting to hurt one side or the other, to fulfill a need to be on the side of rightousness rather than what all is actually happening.

That, and people who take to the streets, screaming about every little thing about anything just annoy me. Right side or left. So a little quiet while we let the system at least try to work is a nice change.

Permalink Reply by Paul_of_TX on February 18, 2013 at 1:37pm

Small edit and it still leaves all the truth we need to know.

I just can't find the logical strand to say that the pro-choice people are "hypocritical" because they are not marching for this girl to have a choice.

Why does it matter who else is on what side? Why dose it matter which side the pro lifers are on? Seems it would only matter if one side was pro-life and the other was pro-death. Then yes I would not expect them to march with the pro-lifers.

Permalink Reply by LShieldes on February 18, 2013 at 3:24pm

Well I was replying to Jack, who stated that it would somehow be horribly bad for Pro-Choicers to "allow" the Pro-lifers to "lead the charge".

Most pro-choice people I know really don't give a shit as long as you get a choice. If that means on this one individual case that the pro-lifers scream the loudest, fine. As long as it remains that the mother gets to have a choice, whooppeeedeeeefucking doooooooooooo.

I don't see a glaring hypocrisy in any aspect of that.

Permalink Reply by Todd Serveto on February 18, 2013 at 1:29pm

Shields, you don't have ONE SINGLE example of ANY of these "pro-choice" (read: pro-abortion) clowns ANYWHERE coming out in support of this woman--and you're going to clobber Paul over the head for NOTICING?  What, none of us on the right are supposed to recognize rank hypocrisy?  This case is not some obscure little side issue--it's a big deal, with serious implications for defining rights.  The fact that we're not hearing A PEEP about this from N.O.W., "Planned Parenthood", or liberal loud-mouths like Nancy Pelosi or Maxine Waters demonstrates just what these people are really all about--it has nothing whatsoever to do with privacy, women's rights, or freedom to choose--it's all about abortion.

 

You ask Paul why he doesn't man-up and say he hates all people who are pro-choice.  Well, I'm not Paul, but I'll speak for myself---I don't hate "all people who are pro-choice".  I sincerely think SOME of them are simply deluded, muddle-headed, not thinking clearly, and A FEW may even sincerely be interested in helping women (on some level).  Lots of supposedly "pro-choice" people have simply never been presented with the facts or have never really thought it through, and many are still operating under the old "just a blob of tissue" myth that was prevalent when Roe was passed, before we really had the science to demonstrate what we now know about beating hearts and developed nervous systems.

 

But many of them are just plain evil, and that's all there is to it.  Knowing what we know about the horrors of partial-birth abortion, knowing what we know about the barbarity of late-term abortion, some of these people are STILL supporting abortion rights all nine months---and I don't even want to breath the same air as people who can support something like that---much less vote for them.  It's evil, and there's no other word for it.

Permalink Reply by Jesse W. Rowlings on February 18, 2013 at 11:44am

I believe the main point of the pro-choice leftists is that any woman should be free to do whatever they want, so unless we are talking idiotic people here, any pro-choice, extreme leftist is going to be supportive of the girl's decision, however stupid it may be, as it's all about individual freedom.

Permalink Reply by Larry on February 18, 2013 at 11:58am

Paul, I think you've hit the proverbial nail squarely on the head!

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