Lots to say, I'm sure.  I'll just give this warning:  if you want an Obama plan, looks like it would be wise to put off applying until the web site is replaced with something that works, or (per one report) your incomplete application may render you "ineligible for future coverage."

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/362299/can-website-really-be-...

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Obamacare is a bait. Once enough people have signed up it will be found to be too costly and unworkable and a move to a "more efficient -less costly"  all government run system will be proposed as a remedy. If you doubt this research Obama, Reid and Pelosi talking about it as a "first step toward  a single payer system."

This will enable all of the little refinements the ultra-left has been asking for to be put in place. A national ID, screening as to religious & political leanings, firearms possesion et al.

Whether or not that's true (since I don't currently have access to sources one way or the other), Obamacare is intentionally ineffective, because it's not a remedy for the problem of rising healthcare costs. It is a regulatory measure to insist that one of the reasons for the rising cost of healthcare be mandatory, when some of us can't afford their "affordable" care coverage.

Why does any Christian support Obamacare?

It mandates abortion coverage.

Now, many Protestants base their faith and moral lives on Scripture alone. Scripture is silent on abortifacients; in fact, it might even be a stretch to equate abortion with murder, using Bible-only "reasoning." Yet many Protestants have come to the conclusion that abortion is dead-wrong. (Except, it's argued by some, in the situations of saving the mother, rape, incest, etc., etc.--in which case, I guess, murder is "justified.")

Just sayin'...if Obamacare supports and requires payment for murder, why would any Christian support it? For all its putative good apples, this is the stinkin' rotten apple that spoils the whole lot. IMHO.

At this point Obamacare itself is of little matter. What we need to do is have special counsel appointed to investigate the ties between the Obama's and the contracts for development of the failed implementation website and the contracts between the Obama's and money supposed to have been spent on the failed New Jersey storm mitigation.

Billions of dollars in play and some promising information regarding "high crimes and misdemeanors."

No-bid contract.  Can't beat that as a way to reward friends and supporters, and it is, AFAIK, legal.

As of right now, it is the only hope for my wife and I to have any affordable coverage at least for some unthinkable catastrophe.

You guys can play the politics, I'm going to wait as long as possible(to see if either of us get a job/get taken on full time), otherwise I would be a fucking retarded dipshit moron for not getting at least a bronze plan for us.

Good luck with that. 

I've had this discussion with low-income friends of mine for a long time. I, personally, am effectively unemployed at the moment (being an artist in a bad economy), and they keep saying "See? this will help us both!" 

And that may be true; it may be the best possible thing for me. But I don't believe, at all, that it's the best thing for the country at large, or for our economy in such a delicate time. As such, no matter how good it may be for me, I can't support it in good conscience. 

I don't have the patience or the time for "beliefs". Reality is that it is now a market providing insurance where they can't turn my wife and I down for pre-existing. Reality is also that I am forced to wait for them to get their shit together concerning signing up. Reality is that we are without insurance.

Like I said, I'll let Will and JonE and the others run around playing chicken little thinking that America is going to implode. I just want fucking insurance in case the unthinkable happens.

I understand your need and I would support a plan that actually provided affordable health insurance especially for those with pre-existing conditions.  I would state, however we could have done that without this immense ill-concieved bill that we are currently dealing with.

@LShieldes---I understand your hopefulness about Obama"care", and I think that hope was shared by thousands of others.  Obviously, there is a need for affordable health care, there has been a crisis for years, and changes are needed.  What I don't think you're seeing is the fact that Obama & Co. are simply taking advantage of the crisis to implement intrusive government, sky-high taxation (several hundred dollars a month out of ANYBODY'S budget right along with all the other taxes they already take), and gov't invasions of personal privacy that stagger the imagination.  It's a fraud.  There are SO MANY other solutions available that could and should be rolled out--they never even gave them a chance, because ultimately, Obama & Co. WANT it this way.  Remember: "never let a good crisis go to waste".

As of right now, it is the only hope for my wife and I to have any affordable coverage at least for some unthinkable catastrophe.

Incorrect. Obama care has increased the cost of insurance. It has also already begun to create a labor pool problem with healthcare as doctors are beginning to walk away from practice, and many many many doctors are refusing to participate in the exchanges. 

otherwise I would be a fucking retarded dipshit moron for not getting at least a bronze plan for us.

Brace yourself, kid. Life's about to write you a reality check. 

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