#2—Now that we are all on the same page about what constitutes a Conservative, what are the top 6 beliefs/ideas that define the liberal movement in America for you?
- Ideology/Idealism over facts
- Emotion based decision making (compassion/fear/guilt/pride/stubbornness)
- The individual's role towards Civil/Societal good has increased prominence
- Equality of opportunity
- Domestic spending should trend towards education/infrastructure/research
- Expansive concept of what government/nation's role should be globally - environmental protector, liberator, democratizer, champion of good, Voltron.
- Equality of opportunity outcome
- Domestic spending should trend towards education/infrastructure/research with an end state of communal collectivism at the expense of individual merit
- Expansive concept of what government/nation's role should be globally - environmental protector, liberator, democratizer, champion of good, Voltron. on the backs of unicorns fed with hopes and wishes because good intentions are better than actual results.
Dang, that's pretty much what I was going to post, well except the part about unicorns.
Style over substance
A complete disregard for facts and a complete rejection of demonstrable results
Ideology over facts
Lack of faith in the individual
Unrealistic faith in central authority
Ruthless/tyrannical implementation of "programs" through that central authority.
Chuck--thanks for your input. I always appreciate your thoughts. I have deliberately withheld my own opinion.
Funny enough, I would say points 1-3 are how I view the conservatives, esp Fox News and Talk Radio conservatives
Hell, for #2 you don't have to look any further than Karl Roves on air meltdown on election night.
As for points 5 and 6, I would say the same for many of the religios right, they just replace the government with their church. Each output is the same though.
To my mind, Karl Rove (and many "conservatives") is actually a liberal. Albeit Republicans.
That is why I stated it as Fox News and Talk Radio conservatives, probably should have said Rep or put quotations around that.
Funny you should say that. I was flipping channels on election night and Fox news called most of the states like PA and OH before the other stations. Carl Rove was not saying the results were wrong but that they should wait to call them. Fox had their people come out and explain why they called it already. Just seems like you are not looking at facts if you are criticizing both Fox and Rove. If Fox was right how were they putting style over substance, disregarding facts and rejecting results?
I find it more useful to hear what someone thinks, than a caricature of those beliefs by someone who disagrees with them. Seriously, if you want to know what conservatism is all about, would you ask an angry liberal? The same's true in either direction.
When conservatism and liberalism are opposite poles of political ideals, what would you expect? That in itself is enlightenment of two extremes.
What I would expect is answers like "My side is about being wise and your side is about being stupid." That is not enlightening.