Art of Manliness

Liberal Movement

#2—Now that we are all on the same page about what constitutes a Conservative, what are the top 6 beliefs/ideas that define the liberal movement in America for you?

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Permalink Reply by Liam S. on November 15, 2012 at 9:54pm

- Ideology/Idealism over facts

- Emotion based decision making (compassion/fear/guilt/pride/stubbornness)

- The individual's role towards Civil/Societal good has increased prominence

- Equality of opportunity

- Domestic spending should trend towards education/infrastructure/research

- Expansive concept of what government/nation's role should be globally - environmental protector, liberator, democratizer, champion of good, Voltron.

Permalink Reply by Shane on November 15, 2012 at 10:08pm

- Equality of opportunity outcome

- Domestic spending should trend towards education/infrastructure/research with an end state of communal collectivism at the expense of individual merit

- Expansive concept of what government/nation's role should be globally - environmental protector, liberator, democratizer, champion of good, Voltron. on the backs of unicorns fed with hopes and wishes because good intentions are better than actual results.

Permalink Reply by Rick Shelton on November 16, 2012 at 3:03pm

Dang, that's pretty much what I was going to post, well except the part about unicorns.

Permalink Reply by Chuck Knight on November 15, 2012 at 10:33pm

Style over substance

A complete disregard for facts and a complete rejection of demonstrable results

Ideology over facts

Lack of faith in the individual

Unrealistic faith in central authority

Ruthless/tyrannical implementation of "programs" through that central authority.

Permalink Reply by SB on November 16, 2012 at 12:24pm

Chuck--thanks for your input. I always appreciate your thoughts. I have deliberately withheld my own opinion.

Permalink Reply by LShieldes on November 16, 2012 at 12:33pm

Funny enough, I would say points 1-3 are how I view the conservatives, esp Fox News and Talk Radio conservatives

Hell, for #2 you don't have to look any further than Karl Roves on air meltdown on election night.

As for points 5 and 6, I would say the same for many of the religios right, they just replace the government with their church. Each output is the same though.

Permalink Reply by Liam S. on November 16, 2012 at 12:45pm

To my mind, Karl Rove (and many "conservatives") is actually a liberal. Albeit Republicans.

Permalink Reply by LShieldes on November 16, 2012 at 2:09pm

That is why I stated it as Fox News and Talk Radio conservatives, probably should have said Rep or put quotations around that.

Permalink Reply by Paul_of_TX on November 16, 2012 at 12:46pm

Funny you should say that. I was flipping channels on election night and Fox news called most of the states like PA and OH before the other stations. Carl Rove was not saying the results were wrong but that they should wait to call them. Fox had their people come out and explain why they called it already. Just seems like you are not looking at facts if you are criticizing both Fox and Rove. If Fox was right how were they putting style over substance, disregarding facts and rejecting results?

Permalink Reply by Will on November 16, 2012 at 8:18am

I find it more useful to hear what someone thinks, than a caricature of those beliefs by someone who disagrees with them. Seriously, if you want to know what conservatism is all about, would you ask an angry liberal? The same's true in either direction.

Permalink Reply by Dale K on November 16, 2012 at 11:58am