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Is feminism dead?
Weird question for a man's website, but hey, debate is debate. A friend found this on youtube. I think is sort of captures why I think feminism is dead (or at least dying). I think girls have been told they could do whatever they want (which is true) but the feminist movement from the 60-70s onward also convinced them that they could also have it all too (which is utter bullshit). I think the myth was that men prevented them from having it all, but in fact it was biology. As I've entered my 30s I've met plenty of women who put having a family on the long finger and now they are horribly discovering that they've waited too long and all the promises they've been fed since being little girls are all lies. A 40 yr old man can still find love and a family just as easy as a 20 yr old (easier since he now has experience and money). A 40 yr old woman is discovering that she has already squandered her best options for such. Some are still lucky, others are happy with the choices they made, but I've met more than a few who never knew what was coming.
What do you think?
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Permalink Reply by Bryan Lee Sammis on
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The one aspect of feminism(I call "feminazism), where they scream and legally codify the mantra:"Men are jerks, men are scum, men are pigs!!"
THAT,sadly, is alive and well!!! :(
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Permalink Reply by Shane on -
I took two, self described feminists (as in, activists with degrees with a strong feminist studies focus) to a strip club last Friday. After, we went dancing in a club where they did indeed, "back dat ass up". The next day, they came back for more. If you're getting screamed at, you're doing it wrong.
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Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on -
Shane, you're the cure for feminism.
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Permalink Reply by Douglas Aldrich on -
+1
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Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on
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I also think feminism is withering away. It ran out of ideas that could persuade large numbers of Americans, large enough to matter in whatever situation comes up, a long time ago. America has about as much equality as it can handle & so far as I can tell American women prefer the equality to the militant attitude. Feminism is caught in a funny dilemma, of its own making: If feminists boast of great successes, they remove the justification for their continued existence; if they decry their failures, they thereby proclaim their incompetence.
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Permalink Reply by Shane on
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Like I said, it isn't dying, it's evolving. Second wave feminism fractured in the 90's and morphed into its third wave. That happened mainly due to perceived failures in the movement. Although the movement was largely a success (its only legislative failure was the ERA) we had a cultural attitude shift.
JM's third paragraph below sums up that shift rather nicely.
When women weren't taken seriously professionally, couldn't vote, couldn't join the service, etc - the stance was one of "I'm equal to a man, and resent ANYTHING that implies otherwise". By and large, they have demonstrated they were correct in this assertion, and I think now the aim of feminism will morph into "We're different from men, though we can do whatever they can - and I resent that difference not being acknowledged"
Mericans can shift their collective self perceptions and values quicker than any culture, it seems.
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Permalink Reply by Shane on
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Feminism isn't dead. It's just evolving. There's been several distinct waves so far; the proto-feminism of the suffragists. The 60's first wave feminism which began with Rosy the Riveter saying she would very much like to go back to work, please. Unfortunately that coincided with the hippie movement who's maturing girls became angry at what they believed was the oppression of their mothers by their fathers and who grew into the man-hating women of the second wave's NOW movement.
The chicks of today's third wave/post-modern feminism are pretty cool though. Mostly it's all about self empowerment. The basic thought is,'You can't have it all, so make the choices best for you.'
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Permalink Reply by Nick H on -
I'm all for the self-empowered. A women who knows what she wants and goes for it is hot. My thoughts were more on the bs being fed to girls in their early college years (18-22) being convinced that they got forever to have kids. I see these single 30-somethings and they feel lied. Life may be long, but some stuff still comes with a pretty early expire date.
AOM seems to have endless conversations about guys lamenting about our generation's creation of the manchild and how to end it. But the womanchild got it worse. At least when we finally wake up and get our shit together, our junk still works.
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Permalink Reply by Shane on
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Possibly. Interesting concept. Maybe if I hung out with women my age I'd have run into this before. I'll ask around.
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