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Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on December 6, 2012 at 8:17am

Somehow, the worst seems to come from academia these days--time was when you have to have insane people on the fringe, as decent people say. How about the guys who argue that babies should be killed if they suffer from any number of diseases that will be hard to cure or impossible? You test during pregnancy, & whenever you get evidence--I do not know how reliable these things are, but I am sure doctors can tell you that they have or have not got it--you kill the baby. Presumably, this sort of thing cannot be done in America just now; but something of this kind is installed in China. We'll see whether the future looks more like the one or the other... Both agree on abortion, but they differ significantly on the property argument & therefore on who gets to decide. But the argument of the Chinese communists is simple: Who pays for medicine should decide about issues of public health, like the next generation. This was pretty much the argument of eugenicists back when Americans were sterilizing people. I think there is a very good chance eugenics is coming back. I do not know that it will look like Progressive America or Communist China, but I'm sure I won't like it. So are ugly arguments made better or worse by the possibility that they become the law?

Permalink Reply by Paul_of_TX on December 6, 2012 at 10:53am

"-I do not know how reliable these things are"

Not completely reliable. I know several people that were supposed to have something wrong with them but as it turned out the doctor was wrong and the baby was born with no defects; my brother was one of them. I know someone who was born without a foot and that was never seen on ultra sound so it was a bit of a shock when the baby was born. Should we extend the killing so that those types can be terminated after birth since they were not caught beforehand?

Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on December 6, 2012 at 11:43am

Well, nothing is perfectly reliable--I am advised that's why capital punishment is plagued by uncertainty. & why America should not go to war against states that replace foreign policy with international terrorism. It apparently does not hold weight in the case of making big gov't immense; perhaps it will not matter when eugenics returns either. We'll see, I fear-

Permalink Reply by Nick H on December 6, 2012 at 12:53pm

Reliable or not, all it tells is potential. Imagine if they aborted Stephen Hawkins? How many genetically perfect wasters are there taking up space in the world?

 

Living in Ireland, a country that is more anti-abortion than my own Canada (although there is quite a loud, unsure of its size, lobby for it at the moment) I see a lot more people with Down's here. Many are usually with elderly parents but they are far from being a burden on society. They contribute more than the country's large number of heorin addicts I'm willing to bet. Yet I am surprised there is no movement or lobby among them or their families against abortion of fetuses with trisomy21 (Down's)? Anyway, long bus ride here so this is just a random thought. I'm sure though after my last one it will probably strike up some other pro/anti-abortion slogan to someone.

Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on December 6, 2012 at 1:54pm

Good point about what healthy babies mean-

Permalink Reply by Nick H on December 6, 2012 at 4:53pm

Like economics, I think people are not smart enough to always know what's best. Hence I don't like eugenics or Communism.

Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on December 6, 2012 at 5:05pm

Well, you know what. You're a loser. You're the leftovers of modernity. The world will pass you by. If you like, we can sit & talk while the world passes by. But there is nothing you can do about better or worse. There's not few of us, but the only way that makes a difference is that it's easier to strike up a conversation-

Permalink Reply by Nick H on December 10, 2012 at 6:17pm

Your comments don't come up on the feed so I missed this one. What was I a loser about? 

Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on December 10, 2012 at 6:20pm

That was days ago; it was news then! Now, who knows what it meant? I think I was pointing out that the detachment required to look at these things your way is also detaching you from the way things are going. There is, after all, a future, & it seems full of progress, sometimes. Portentous stuff, really...

Permalink Reply by Nick H on December 10, 2012 at 6:32pm

If the world is changing and progressing, how come when I read about the past I feel like are just making the same mistakes that were already done before?

Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on December 10, 2012 at 6:34pm

I believe that is because man is not becoming wiser, whereas he is obviously becoming stronger-

Permalink Reply by Rick Shelton on December 6, 2012 at 2:27pm

We were told that our son would most likely have something wrong with him based on tests done.  The doctor was wrong.  We could neuter the defectives upon birth so they don't procreate.  We could also neuter anyone with a low IQ for the same reason and thinking on it if a baby's genetics aren't perfect we could neuter them as well.  Or we could retroactively abort them.

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