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Permalink Reply by ARK on July 26, 2012 at 10:47pm

How is demanding to pick and choose what kind of medical care your employees obtain with the insurance you provide them particularly different from demanding they get your permission to buy things with the salary you pay them? 

Or, the other side of the coin...

Newland family to their employees: Give up your control over your reproductive habits or give up your job.

Is the HVAC business really so slow that they have time to waste on this? 

Permalink Reply by Chuck Knight on July 26, 2012 at 10:57pm

Q: Should the government be allowed to do this?

 

Allowed by whom?  That's the problem.  The government is the ultimate authority, and the sellouts on the court have decided in favor of government micromanaged control of our lives.

 

It doesn't seem that they have any choice.  I hope they take this to court, take it all the way up, and render the ACA completely toothless.  But, unfortunately, it's the law of the land, and it's been "rammed down our throats."

 

I concede ARK's point, but he's failing to realize that employees are not forced to work for that company...and that they're able to purchase additional coverage, or just pay for condoms and birth control pills out of their own pocket.

Permalink Reply by ARK on July 26, 2012 at 11:07pm

What if I own a business and am a member of an obscure religion that believes a person in a comatose state is actually in the afterlife and therefore no attempt to resuscitate them can be made? What do I say to my employee whose husband was in a car wreck and is in a coma? Pay out of pocket or pull the plug immediately? Are you going to defend my "religious freedom" to make that decision for her? 

Anyway, we all know the only reason Catholics oppose birth control is because it interferes with making sure their priests have a steady supply of children to molest.

Permalink Reply by Josh on July 27, 2012 at 2:19pm

Ask not why we do it, for yea verily, we do it for teh lulz.

Permalink Reply by LShieldes on July 27, 2012 at 11:08am

So basically a private company has picked up the same fight the Catholic church has been having?

Permalink Reply by LShieldes on July 27, 2012 at 1:24pm

My argument hasn't changed then. No need to go down that road again.

Permalink Reply by LShieldes on July 27, 2012 at 11:32pm

Cause its the olympics and I'm distracted?

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Permalink Reply by Native Son on July 28, 2012 at 9:09am

@ LShieldes:

But we must give TT his chance!

Permalink Reply by Native Son on July 27, 2012 at 6:02pm

This is not an exact parallel to the Catholic objection.  In the case of the Church, the argument is both moral (religious) and constitutional, in that historically well-defined religious ministries [in health care and social justice] are required to provide payment for services antithetical to the tenets of their faith.  The crux of that argument is that the current HHS regulations make a constitutionally prohibited (and very restrictive) definition of "an establishment of religion".

In the case of Hercules Industries, it's going to be a long, hard row to hoe to prove that a sheet metal business is a religious ministry. That's the family's problem, a HVAC company is not an exercise of an establishment of religion.  It's a secular sheet metal business, which means it's legal operation puts it well within the purview of government regulations.  If religious exemptions to government regulations are determined by the faith of the operator, rather than the religious mission of the entity, you've opened the door to an anarchist's dream world, where every individual makes his own personal rules, and doesn't have to consider anyone else.