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Hell
For those who believe in the idea of Hell, is there a chance of redemption, a path out of hell, or is the soul stuck in hell for ever?
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Permalink Reply by Shane on -
hmmm
Tibetan Buddhists see a way out of hell, but, it takes an eon or so. Islam says believers who sin have a temporary stay in hell before being released. Judaism doesn't have an afterlife. Your standard Protestant Christians are too enamored with Dante, Blake and Milton to make this discussion worthwhile.
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Permalink Reply by Tigerbeard on -
To add to the list; Hinduism says sins are atoned for in Hell prior to rebirth in accordance to the balance of Karma.
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Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on -
First, why should Blake matter? Secondly, only a Philistine would think Dante & Milton are not worth discussing.
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Permalink Reply by Liam S. on -
Do Dante and Milton represent accurate, biblically supported versions of the afterlife?
If not, are we considering all fictional accounts in our discussion (by which I mean those presented by writers of literature/fiction, not by the writers of canonically considered religious or mythological texts), or only those by people you respect?
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Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on
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Liam, you are not forced to discuss any of these things; it's better that you don't, if you're going to talk about them like you talk about Plato.
I'm not sure that Shane is right about the influence of Dante & Milton, but I am inclined to run with him on these matters. I think he introduced the names because he means to discuss what people believe with or without support in authorized writings. Is he being sneaky? Maybe, but the OP did ask believers, not specifying he wants authorized writings...
Now, for my part, I picked up on his trail just because I don't think writers like Dante come up often, or rarely, either; so it would be worth talking about anyway. Milton I don't know much about, just enough not to dismiss him. Strange political goings on in that poem.
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Permalink Reply by Shane on
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Blake illustrated Divine Comedy and Paradise Lost.
Dante and Milton are absolutely worth discussing, in their own right. However, these three are whom provided the standard Christian vision of hell. The problem for this discussion is, they didn't pull from the Bible, but rather apocrypha and pseudo-epigrapha, for inspiration.
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Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on
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I did not know about the illustration business. As for the rest, yeah, the Bible does not take much interest in the matter...
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Permalink Reply by Shane on
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Ciampolo the Barrator Tormented by the Devils - Inferno
Satan Calling up His Legions - Paradise Lost
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Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on
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The latter illustration is great. Those are men.
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Permalink Reply by Shane on
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Strange men. There's a distinct lack of emotion in their faces. One would think the legions of hell would be a bit more excited when the Lord of Darkness called them forth.
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Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on
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I'm not sure what to make of their faces. But I am not sure about the excitement. Determination would be enough, I think. Maybe they have an awareness of fate-
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