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The Great Debate

"Iron sharpens iron." A place for men to impact each other by debate and exchange of ideas. This is a group where no ideas are off limits. If your motto is, "I never talk about politics or religion," this group is probably not for you. A "gym" for thinkers.

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How far apart we are

Started by Sir. Last reply by Shane 30 minutes ago. 28 Replies

I've really been noticing it recently.I was at lunch, and some of my party started talking admiringly of how hardworking Obama is -- putting grey on those temples with his incredibly long hours.  My…Continue

General Election 2016

Started by Pale Horse. Last reply by Shane 2 hours ago. 869 Replies

Self-explanatory.

Are you better off?

Started by Sir. Last reply by Steve Dallas on Tuesday. 43 Replies

...or are we better off?  I'm thinking specifically of political things, although demographic and social trends are also interesting.There've been a lot of changes over the past decade or so.  I'll…Continue

Gender

Started by Pale Horse. Last reply by Shane on Friday. 13 Replies

Read an interesting article a while back and kept forgetting to share it here.…Continue

Tags: Orwell, Transgender, Sex, Gender

How American Politics went Insane

Started by Clinton R. Ausmus. Last reply by Clinton R. Ausmus Sep 21. 19 Replies

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How goes the war

Started by Sir. Last reply by Shane Sep 21. 387 Replies

Charles Krauthammer makes this interesting observation:  we are now in a new stage of the war on terror.  ( …Continue

Unpopular Political and Religious Opinions

Started by Pale Horse. Last reply by Pale Horse Sep 19. 203 Replies

Figured we all have a lot of unpopular opinions that belong here in TGD.

Wising up

Started by Sir. Last reply by Native Son Sep 10. 1 Reply

I don't know where to put this.  It's not politics, and I don't think it's religion, but I may be wrong.  Anyway…Continue

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Comment by Clinton R. Ausmus 1 minute ago

Where in any of my statements did I say insurmountable?  Why do you insist on putting words in everyones mouth?  You really need to examine these issues, why you have to inject these words into other's statements so that you can try and prove them wrong.  I have yet to say this can not be done.  I've only said it won't be done.

I'll say this.  There is nothing, we as the human race, can not build.  As long as we are all on the same page.  As far as the border wall goes, there is not much else in this country that divides us so completely.

Comment by Shane 8 minutes ago
I'm serious. You've provided no obstacle I can't counter off the top of my head with no further research. If you think any one thing, or even the conglomeration of all things, are insurmountable, you're mistaken.
Comment by Clinton R. Ausmus 10 minutes ago

You can do whatever you want Shane.

The wall will not be built.  Period...You want to cling to this fantasy, then hold on tight.  We'll see where we are in 4 years or so.

Comment by Shane 16 minutes ago
Do you really want me to go point by point with this, or would you like to reconsider your talking points?
Comment by Clinton R. Ausmus 20 minutes ago

I didn't say we didn't have them.

Where is this wall you're speaking of.  The southern wall now is certainly not made of this.  The resources are a huge hurdle, but if you don't want to admit that then propose how you're going to transport these millions of pounds of concrete across deserts that aren't paved with roads.  Then explain how your going to get past the lawsuits filed by people you are locking out of their own country, or the kids you're telling will not be able to go to school anymore because they live on the wrong side of the wall.  Or how you're going to get passed all the protected land that congress will never approve.

Comment by Shane 28 minutes ago
That's not a hurdle. We have those resources. We've built twice as many miles of the same type of wall in America already.
Comment by Clinton R. Ausmus 34 minutes ago

For starters the resources.

An estimated 12,600,000 cubic yards of concrete.  Over 3 times the amount of concrete in the Hoover Dam.

An estimated 10,190,000 cubic feet, or 5 billion pounds, of steel.  That's more than 4 Nimitz Class Air Craft Carriers.

And that's not even the biggest hurdle Trump would have to overcome.  Of course these estimates are on his latest estimates of the wall.

Comment by Shane 42 minutes ago
What an odd thing to say. What makes you belive so?
Comment by Clinton R. Ausmus 46 minutes ago

I'm saying it will not be built.  Yes.

Comment by Shane 49 minutes ago
Are you suggesting the guy who fetishizes building things, won't build something he's spent a year and a half saying he was going to build?
 

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Shane commented on Herb Munson's group The Great Debate
"I'm serious. You've provided no obstacle I can't counter off the top of my head with no further research. If you think any one thing, or even the conglomeration of all things, are insurmountable, you're mistaken."
8 minutes ago
Clinton R. Ausmus commented on Herb Munson's group The Great Debate
"You can do whatever you want Shane. The wall will not be built.  Period...You want to cling to this fantasy, then hold on tight.  We'll see where we are in 4 years or so."
10 minutes ago
Shane commented on Herb Munson's group The Great Debate
"Do you really want me to go point by point with this, or would you like to reconsider your talking points?"
16 minutes ago
Clinton R. Ausmus commented on Herb Munson's group The Great Debate
"I didn't say we didn't have them. Where is this wall you're speaking of.  The southern wall now is certainly not made of this.  The resources are a huge hurdle, but if you don't want to admit that then propose how…"
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Shane commented on Herb Munson's group The Great Debate
"That's not a hurdle. We have those resources. We've built twice as many miles of the same type of wall in America already."
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Shane replied to Sir's discussion How far apart we are in the group The Great Debate
"I agree. Dallas?"
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Clinton R. Ausmus commented on Herb Munson's group The Great Debate
"For starters the resources. An estimated 12,600,000 cubic yards of concrete.  Over 3 times the amount of concrete in the Hoover Dam. An estimated 10,190,000 cubic feet, or 5 billion pounds, of steel.  That's more than 4 Nimitz Class…"
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John Muir replied to Sir's discussion How far apart we are in the group The Great Debate
""I'm for America" is so vague. And it seems tribal. I'm for protecting what I have, and equipping my children to deal with whatever world they might inherit.  Therefore, I want to take my children all over the world. I want…"
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