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Comment by Tyler Jacobs on June 15, 2015 at 5:26pm

The beard thing is a huge thing that dismays me about LDS CULTURE (not doctrine!!). I think it's a byproduct from the baby-boomer generation when facial hair was viewed as "counter culture". I know it sounds bad, but I'm kinda looking forward to that generation to move on. My mom proudly tells stories about how her grandfather (a very well-known apostle) would fetch a razor and shaving cream whenever he saw even a 5'o-clock shadow one of his relatives. I don't think that's an admirable quality to be honest. Seems like a judgmental jerky thing to do. In any case, he would have a fit if he knew me! :D

Comment by Sir on June 15, 2015 at 4:07pm

Or show a pic of Brigham Young?

Comment by Jon Z on June 15, 2015 at 4:00pm

I should have prefaced that with: I am a ward clerk at a university that is not real BYU. so the "standards" have been set high. My mistake for not being clear.

Comment by Mongoose on June 15, 2015 at 3:16pm

Jon, perhaps consider mentioning that, while having a beard is neither against doctrine nor a sin, and that passing judgement on another IS a serious sin which is very damaging and affects others.

Comment by Mongoose on June 15, 2015 at 3:13pm

Jon, huh? I've had a beard for about 8 years, and most of my life within the Church has been with facial hair of some sort. Additionally, I know many, many men in our Stake who have facial hair. Never have I heard one negative comment about it. I am sorry that people in your area are so hung up on Culture and less concerned about True Doctrine.

There is no where in our doctrine that states we should be clean-shaven. And many of our prophets have had facial hair (some have had very stylistic facial hair, very very trendy facial hair). Therefore, there is nothing wrong with A) facial hair, nor with B) trendiness.

Next time someone makes a statement about facial hair, perhaps consider asking them to find anywhere in the General Handbook of Instruction against facial hair, asking them if it's wrong for our Lord to ever be portrayed as having facial hair, ask if it was wrong for any of the prophets to have facial hair (and almost all the OT prophets are portrayed as having such). Finally, for kicks and giggles, jet let them know you are being as Christlike as possible, down to the beard.

Comment by Jon Z on June 15, 2015 at 2:18pm

The beard thing irritates me. I hate growing facial hair. Having said that, four years ago I shaved one morning and a week later almost had surgery for MRSA. I get it once a year now, after shaving. Because I was finally diagnosed properly, and saw a specialist, it gets treated immediately. One of the things I do to help not get reinfections, is I only shave once a week. Twice tops. With an electric razor. Regardless, I get comments about being "rebellious", not following the rules, etc. I have explained why I at times have facial hair the Miami Vice scrub, but it never seems to satisfy.

Oh, and I just threw in the 6:30 AM meeting thing to see who read this group. 

It is good to be here, and meet you all. And I agree about the parking.

Comment by Mongoose on June 15, 2015 at 11:57am

The issue with covered parking is actually larger than it seems. There's issues with insurance (wind/weather damage), for one thing. I am sure there are others. However, I do think covered parking would be of benefit.

One thing I really, really wish is that (especially LDS) people would stop parking illegally in the parking lot. There seems to be some sort of selfish need for some members to park across spaces or in non-spaces just for convenience. Parking lot spaces are designed very carefully to maximize parking while minimizing accidents. I have seen several accidents occur in the parking lots as a result of people parking illegally and cause problems with others' turn radii and such.

It would seem to me that, as members, we'd be more conscious of how we influence others by our actions. When we disregard law and such, it makes a strong statement to others that we are too selfish to be a good citizen.

But that is a different sort of gripe about parking. Sorry.

Comment by J. D. on June 15, 2015 at 10:47am

On that note, I don't understand why it's too much to ask that church parking lots, such as they are, have covered parking spots in extremely hot climates such as where I live.  I've seen many different church buildings throughout the valley and not one of them has a covered parking spot for those long summers where nearly every day is well above 100 degrees.  It's not like it would add that much expense to the building costs, but then, I could share stories of some of the crazy and ridiculous ideas that have come from the church building department, like spending $70,000 to install flood control pumps in a new building in Tennessee that was built below ground.

Comment by Mongoose on June 15, 2015 at 9:46am

Of course, I never understood why a university is able to build a new dorm, or a company could build a new downtown building/condo, etc. unless they also ensure there is ample parking to support such.

Comment by JMD on June 15, 2015 at 9:34am

I've never understood why buildings that were clearly intended for more than one unit aren't large enough to accommodate them.  I've attended plenty of priesthood meetings held in the kitchen, on the stage or in a much-too-small classroom because there was no place else to meet.  My stake center doesn't have nearly enough parking for stake conference.  They double park cars in the lot and additional cars park along the side of the road.  Even the chapel where my ward meets doesn't fit our modest-sized ward without opening up the gym.  Our weekly attendance is at most 120 and we can't fit them all.  It doesn't seem like it would take much to make these buildings big enough to do the job they are designed to do.


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