Greetings all, I have an thought (not original) that has been running around my head for a while. It involves the proper actions we (as humans) should take if in fact some deity does exist. If there is a god I propose that we, as thinking creatures with the desire to live our own lives, should reject that god.

That is to say, if a god exists, we should say "thanks but no thanks". Despite how wonderful and benevolent or evil and capricious, we should tell this god we do not want nor require its assistance. I firmly believe that if we, as humans, want to truly grow we can not have any one looking over our shoulder. When discussing this I use the example of a father (evil or altruistic doesn't matter)  and two sons. Son A, never leaves home and lives off of daddy's money and doesn't make anything of himself. While son B says, "thanks for all the help dad but I have to do this on my own" and sets out to make his fortune.  I contend that while Son A is always going to taken care of, he never really grows up. He remains a child being told what to do and never thinking for himself. However, son B develops over time because he has to do it alone. He is forced to think and learn from his mistakes, that ultimately improves his character.

I say we should strive to be like son B. we should reject our "Father" and strike out on our own. Yes like son B we will make mistakes and take the wrong path and we might not even survive. This may be our destruction, but demanding to live our lives on our terms is the minimum we should expect.

At the heart of "Manliness" is the desire to stand on ones own, is it not? So if a god exists we should stand up and say "NO".

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Rebellion is perhaps one of the most fundamental masculine acts.  The Satan character of the Biblical mythos in many ways represented the ultimate man.  To reject one's god or master is the greatest expression of individualism.

I would want to know all I could about this God before I made any decision on whether or not to rebel against it/him/her.  

If in FACT God existed and if in FACT he would send me to hell forever, for whatever reason, good or evil, I would avoid eternal torture, whatever the cost.  This is where I do agree with "pascal's wager" in one sense (which, given this particular hypothetical is no longer a "wager" in the true sense).  If it was true, and there was nothing I could do to avoid hell but worship, then sign me up.  I'm not burning for eternity out of pride.  Fuck that.  Burn for a few minutes and then die?  Maybe...  depending on the situation I might take the martyr route, but forever?  Nope.

Luckily, God's not real. :)

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