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Gentlemen Apologists

A place for gentlemen of all stripes who are interested in the broad field of Christian apologetics. If you are a thoughtful man interested in pursuing a more reasonable faith, or if becoming a pipe-smoking clone of C.S. Lewis is one of your greatest aspirations, then this is the place for you.

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Welcome to Gentlemen Apologists!

Feel free to ask a question, start a discussion, or simply share your manly cogitations on the issues. Open to both apologists and seekers alike, the intriguingly capacious realm of Christian philosophy and apologetics is at your disposal, its delicate intricacies plenteous and "ripe for the plucking," as they say.

So what are you waiting for? Man up, put your thinking cap on, and join the conversation! ;-)

Discussion Forum

"The Most Objectionable Part of the Bible"

Started by Lon R.. Last reply by Liam Strain Sep 1, 2015. 15 Replies

External Apologetics

Started by Shawn K. Last reply by Liam Strain Aug 25, 2015. 9 Replies

Devil's Advocate #1 - Forgiveness of Sin

Started by John Muir. Last reply by Shawn K Aug 21, 2015. 8 Replies

Debunking richard dawkins God delusion

Started by Matt Daly. Last reply by Matt Daly Aug 17, 2015. 9 Replies

Evidential Apologetics

Started by Michael Aug 5, 2015. 0 Replies

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Comment by Matt Daly on August 13, 2015 at 11:43pm

Ok men I am in need of help! I'm doing an assignment for uni the topic is new athiesm, its text book is the God delusion written by Richard Dawkins. My question for an essay is:" What is Dawkins 747 argument and does he succeed" I know what it is, it is based on Fred Hoyle's argument on life orgination on its own on earth by using the example of a tornado blowing through a rubbish dumb leaving a ready to fly 747 plane. Christians (creationists) use it to show that life made by evolution or just being (through big bang for example) is just as improbable (and therefre not existant) as the 747 in junkyard. I want to argue that it isnt a good example to use as a Christian for Dawkins to use as a debunk (he says that in fact God is the ultimate improbable 747) becasue the illistartin isn't a good enough exmaple of God being the source of creation. I need holes in the 747 analogy based on a Christian perspective to help my argument. If anyone knows of this theory of Fred Hoylke and can help I woould be very grateful!!!

Comment by Brother Joseph on July 1, 2015 at 4:33pm
I'm in.
Comment by Steven Stock on July 1, 2015 at 4:27pm

I just recently joined, and would love to see this group get new life. Discussing what I believe is, for me, a source of great enjoyment. 

Comment by Andrew K on April 23, 2015 at 12:20am

Hello good sirs!  Does anyone still check this board?  I am new to the site and think it would be awesome to get this started up again.  I grew up in a Christian family, never truly believed, considered myself an atheist for a long while, and now that I'm in college I'm back to seeking again.  I figure as long as I keep looking I'll edge closer to the truth.  I'm interested in know why you guys believe.  Do you believe through reason?  A personal encounter?  Tradition?

Comment by Pete Franklin on September 9, 2012 at 1:21am

"Win the man not the argument"
having to be right could cost a man his life.

Comment by Shane on August 24, 2012 at 7:26pm

In response to your last question,  I would offer the following perspective.  Who was the first President of the United States of America?  The answer is obvious.  Should I remain open-minded about this fact?  If someone were to try to convince me that George Bush was the first President of the United States, would I be considered close-minded if I didn't agree?  Again the answer is obvious.  Why?  The nature of truth is to automatically exclude the false.

 

The nature of truth is perspective.  And we, as men, don't have the perspective for Truth.  There were 14 men elected as President of this nation prior to George Washington.

Comment by Evan Taylor Posey on August 24, 2012 at 2:02pm

Shane,

In response to your last question,  I would offer the following perspective.  Who was the first President of the United States of America?  The answer is obvious.  Should I remain open-minded about this fact?  If someone were to try to convince me that George Bush was the first President of the United States, would I be considered close-minded if I didn't agree?  Again the answer is obvious.  Why?  The nature of truth is to automatically exclude the false. (e.g. The Law of Non-Contradiction).  We can in fact close our minds around truth claims and exclude all other contradictory claims.  Furthermore, if the skeptic asserts that God does not exist, isn't he also close-minded?  Calling someone close-minded amounts to nothing more than a personal attack or ad hominem.  If the evidence isn't there to support the Christian faith then it isn't there.  But, if Christianity is true, then it excludes all propositions opposed to it.

Furthermore,  Jesus himself excludes many from the Kingdom of God when he claims, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6).  Here, Christ admits to being extremely exclusionary.  That is to say, "I am the only way".  

In short, everyone is close-minded if they think what they believe is true and Christianity has never claimed to be all inclusive.  

Comment by Elliott Jason Ridgway on August 20, 2012 at 10:52am
(Disclaimer: I don't necessarily agree with all of the ideas in these books...!)

* "Jesus Among Other Gods"  Ravi Zacharias, Thomas, Nelson, 2000 

* "The Battle for Truth"  David A. Noebel, Harvest House, 2001    

* "Beyond Belief to Convictions"  McDowell & Hostetler, Tyndale House, 2002 

* "Building Belief"  Chad Meister, Baker Books, 2006 

* "The Case for Christ"  Lee Strobel, Zondervan, 1998     

* "The Case for a Creator"  Lee Strobel, Zondervan, 2004

* "The Case for Faith"  Lee Strobel, Zondervan, 2000                                          

* "Dialogical Apologetics"  David K. Clark, Baker Books, 1993      

* "Evidence for Christianity"  Josh McDowell, Nelson Publishing, 2006 

* "Evidence that demands a Verdict"  Josh McDowell, Here's Life, 1990

* "Handbook of Christian Apologetics"  Kreeft & Tacelli, Intervarsity Press, 1994

* "Lifeviews"  R.C. Sproul, Fleming H. Revel, 1986

* "The Mind on Fire"  Blaise Pascal, Multnomah Press, 1989   

* "The New Tolerance"  McDowell & Hostetler, Tyndale House, 1998 

* "No Other Gods"  Dr. Phil Fernandes, Xulon Press, 2002 

* "The Reason for God"  Timothy Keller, Riverhead Books, 2008  

* "Seduction of Christianity" Hunt & McMahon, Harvest House, 1987  

* "So What's the Difference?" Fritz Ridenour, Regal Books, 2001

* "Truth Behind the New Atheism"  David Marshall, Harvest House, 2007  

* "Understanding the Times"  David A. Noebel, Harvest House, 1991

Comment by Shane San on August 20, 2012 at 6:30am

Thanks, Chadd. I have heard of that book "More Than a Carpenter." I will add it to my list; maybe when I'm not reading "The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt" I can read that. ;-)- I have heard people claim that the stories in the Gospels were all a big conspiracy between Jesus and his followers-but then the typical response to that is people won't die for something they know is a lie, they die for what they believe to be the truth. Thanks again!

Comment by Chadd on August 19, 2012 at 11:09am

There's an excellent book out there called "More Than A Carpenter" that covers your very question quite well. It talks in great detail about how the tests the Bible pass for historical accuracy far outweigh those of any other ancient text our society accepts as reliable. 

I would start simply with the life of Jesus, which is verified fact. No one questions a man named Jesus was alive, and performed miracles. Where most people disagree on is if he died and rose again as we Christians claim. You then have to look at the lives of Saul/Paul, whose transformation is again, verified, and look at all of the disciples who found the courage to face extreme persecution and even death for what they believed in. Ask yourself what could possible make a man willing to die a horrible death (stoning, crucifixion) except witnessing a resurrected Jesus and experiencing the Holy Spirit. 

But more than anything, check out More Than A Carpenter :)

 
 
 

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