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Permalink Reply by Michael Dale Rogers on May 15, 2012 at 2:03am

Disclaimers first, I guess, I have two shotguns and a 22 rifle BUT, I have a ranch  so have periodically had to put animals down.

OTHERWISE I shouldn't have a gun nor should anyone unless they can provide a reasonable reason such as having mountain lions, bears, wolves, alligators, etc. threatening them or their animals.

Maybe even having to put cancerous dogs down isn't enough to justify the risk of allowing people to have this easy to kill with tool.

Yes, one can kill with almost anything but it's much harder and distasteful. The local cops killed an irritating fat man by hogtying him on his stomach and sitting on him etc.

If there was a law that gave you a year in jail for anyone caught with any tool that is specifically for killing, (yes, someone CAN kill you by smothering you with a banana cream pie but it isn't made usually to kill.) there would, I think be many less gunpoint robberies and killings. It's just not as easy to slice another's throat as blast them and pointing a knife at someone across the counter is less effective. Then there's the Darwin proofers that accidentally shoot themselves and others!

Disclaimers first, I guess, I have two shotguns and a 22 rifle BUT, I have a ranch  so have periodically had to put animals down.

OTHERWISE I shouldn't have a gun nor should anyone unless they can provide a reasonable reason such as having mountain lions, bears, wolves, alligators, etc. threatening them or their animals.

Maybe even having to put cancerous dogs down isn't enough to justify the risk of allowing people to have this easy to kill with tool.

Yes, one can kill with almost anything but it's much harder and distasteful. The local cops killed an irritating fat man by hogtying him on his stomach and sitting on him etc.

If there was a law that gave you a year in jail for anyone caught with any tool that is specifically for killing, (yes, someone CAN kill you by smothering you with a banana cream pie but it isn't made usually to kill.) there would, I think be many less gunpoint robberies and killings. It's just not as easy to slice another's throat as blast them and pointing a knife at someone across the counter is less effective. Then there's the Darwin proofers that accidentally shoot themselves and others!

Disclaimers first, I guess, I have two shotguns and a 22 rifle BUT, I have a ranch  so have periodically had to put animals down.

OTHERWISE I shouldn't have a gun nor should anyone unless they can provide a reasonable reason such as having mountain lions, bears, wolves, alligators, etc. threatening them or their animals.

Maybe even having to put cancerous dogs down isn't enough to justify the risk of allowing people to have this easy to kill with tool.

Yes, one can kill with almost anything but it's much harder and distasteful. The local cops killed an irritating fat man by hogtying him on his stomach and sitting on him etc.

If there was a law that gave you a year in jail for anyone caught with any tool that is specifically for killing, (yes, someone CAN kill you by smothering you with a banana cream pie but it isn't made usually to kill.) there would, I think be many less gunpoint robberies and killings. It's just not as easy to slice another's throat as blast them and pointing a knife at someone across the counter is less effective. Then there's the Darwin proofers that accidentally shoot themselves and others!

Disclaimers first, I guess, I have two shotguns and a 22 rifle BUT, I have a ranch  so have periodically had to put animals down.

OTHERWISE I shouldn't have a gun nor should anyone unless they can provide a reasonable reason such as having mountain lions, bears, wolves, alligators, etc. threatening them or their animals.

Maybe even having to put cancerous dogs down isn't enough to justify the risk of allowing people to have this easy to kill with tool.

Yes, one can kill with almost anything but it's much harder and distasteful. The local cops killed an irritating fat man by hogtying him on his stomach and sitting on him etc.

If there was a law that gave you a year in jail for anyone caught with any tool that is specifically for killing, (yes, someone CAN kill you by smothering you with a banana cream pie but it isn't made usually to kill.) there would, I think be many less gunpoint robberies and killings. It's just not as easy to slice another's throat as blast them and pointing a knife at someone across the counter is less effective. Then there's the Darwin proofers that accidentally shoot themselves and others!

Disclaimers first, I guess, I have two shotguns and a 22 rifle BUT, I have a ranch  so have periodically had to put animals down.

OTHERWISE I shouldn't have a gun nor should anyone unless they can provide a reasonable reason such as having mountain lions, bears, wolves, alligators, etc. threatening them or their animals.

Maybe even having to put cancerous dogs down isn't enough to justify the risk of allowing people to have this easy to kill with tool.

Yes, one can kill with almost anything but it's much harder and distasteful. The local cops killed an irritating fat man by hogtying him on his stomach and sitting on him etc.

If there was a law that gave you a year in jail for anyone caught with any tool that is specifically for killing, (yes, someone CAN kill you by smothering you with a banana cream pie but it isn't made usually to kill.) there would, I think be many less gunpoint robberies and killings. It's just not as easy to slice another's throat as blast them and pointing a knife at someone across the counter is less effective. Then there's the Darwin proofers that accidentally shoot themselves and others!

Permalink Reply by Brian Dinges on May 15, 2012 at 8:13am

Mr. Rogers,

While I value your opinion I could not disagree with you more. I just have two things to say about it.

First, we should all consider ourselves blessed (I know I do every day) that we live in a country that actually values differencing opinions and hence encourages them as well. Anyone can express their opinions no matter how different or alike they are from the any one else’s (done respectfully) without concern of disappearing from the face of the earth. (Please, no conspiracy theorist here.)

Secondly, Mr. Rogers, if you don’t like the laws of my country you don’t have to stay.

Brian Dinges

(P.S. Ok, I lied, one more thing. Mr. Rogers, I believe we are all mature enough here to understand your point without the dramatic “copy & pasting”, “copy & pasting”, “copy & pasting”.)

Permalink Reply by Chuck Knight on May 15, 2012 at 9:56am

OTHERWISE I shouldn't have a gun nor should anyone unless they can provide a reasonable reason such as having mountain lions, bears, wolves, alligators, etc. threatening them or their animals.

 

Well, that's likely to be an unpopular opinion in this group.  This should prove interesting.  It's quite a telling attitude...you should have your guns, but no one else should, unless they have a need with which you would agree.

 

Hmmm...let's take a quick look at your profile.  Yep, California.  Thought so.

 

Go take a look at the statistics.  Legal gun owners are the most law abiding and safest statistical sub-group that you will find, overall.  And gun accidents among this group occur at a lower rate than among the general population.

 

I, for one, applaud Oklahoma's initiative to re-establish open carry laws.  In fact, I wish Texas would follow their lead.  A place just feels safer to me, when I'm surrounded by people who are packing.

Permalink Reply by Brian Dinges on May 15, 2012 at 10:02am

Hallelujah!!!

Permalink Reply by Paul_of_TX on May 15, 2012 at 10:06am

Which other parts of the Constitution do think we should do away with?

Permalink Reply by JonEdanger on May 15, 2012 at 10:20am

The whole "Copy/Paste" concept escapes you, eh?

Permalink Reply by Paul_of_TX on May 15, 2012 at 11:13am

I guess if I wasn't able to master copy and pasting then I wouldn't want others in my same species running around with guns either.

Permalink Reply by JonEdanger on May 15, 2012 at 11:16am

Good one!

Permalink Reply by The Okie on May 15, 2012 at 11:35am

Thank you for copying and pasting your post not one, not two, but FIVE times. I personally found it the most interesting the fourth time through though. 

Ok, that was mean, you have a right to your opinion, but please don't turn your opinion into SPAM by doing things like that. You're an adult. This is a forum for adult males. 

But as a response to your opinion. Yes, living on a ranch is a great reason to own/use guns for anti-predatory reasons for your livestock as well as maybe even home defense since you more than likely don't have anyone living around you and therefore no one aside from your family members or ranch hands would have a reason to be on your property after midnight.

Either way, yes, I'm sure you can smother grandma with a banana cream pie..sure I'll give you that. 

The thing with criminals is...they break the law on purpose. If an individual has a motive to commit a crime, whether it be robbery, murder, rape, or anything else to cause physical harm to another individual, don't you think that they will have little to no resistance in procuring a firearm to aid them in their unlawful offense? 

No one with that type of motive is going to give any fines or other penalties for owning/carrying a gun a second thought. If someone wants to knock over a 7/11at gunpoint while I'm inside getting a big gulp, you better believe I'm going to do everything in my power to stop them. ESPECIALLY if I have family/friends present. So should I only be equipped with a Buck knife and a toothpick from dinner that evening? NO.

So, your argument that gunpoint robberies would decrease, quite honestly is a little silly. Criminals, especially gang related criminals, pride themselves on BREAKING THE LAW. It's like when you see a ramp up in gang activity on the news. Obviously it's recruitment season for those gangs and whether it's vandalism, murder, or anything else, they are rights-of-passage acts for new members to complete in order to join, or propaganda made by current members to keep/gain territory or get their name out there. 

It's a basic principle of terrorism, the more heinous the act of terror, the more media coverage your terrorist sect will receive. This translates to local gang activity too.

Now yes, I'm sure living on a ranch in California, gangs are not a concern. I am simply making a point for those of us not living in rural America. I myself was born and raised in a small town called Ardmore, Oklahoma, (population 35,000) and now currently live in the Oklahoma City area (population 600,000). It's definitely two different worlds but even on the east side of Ardmore we had gangs and a lot of Meth lab activity.

My other point is that nothing keeps crimes in centralized locations. If there's a "bad area" in your town, the people doing those crimes in those areas more than likely have means (cars, motorcycles, bicycles, legs) to get to the "nice part of town". 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not one to say we should all suit up in tactical vests and strap on our AR-15's because that's what it takes. I'm just wondering why you feel so strongly in this way you do. What you describe is how England currently is. NO guns, not even the police. And all I heard while in London were the patty-wagons full of bobbies on their way to a crime scene with their police batons and whistles. Likewise, I also saw multiple gangs in parks with knives literally lining the edges of their pockets. 

I'm not going to tell you to "leave if you don't like it", you have a right to whatever you want to believe. As you know, that's because of the same constitution that gives us the right to have weapons, gives us the right to say what we believe, whatever that may be. 

We all know the basics of the constitution. 

So thank you for your input. Sorry for being so long-winded. And I'm not attacking you, sir, so don't take it that way, simply sharing my opinions and viewpoints. Thanks :)

God bless.

Permalink Reply by Suburban Sentinel on May 15, 2012 at 8:30am

My state does not allow open carry (with the usual LEO, etc. exceptions).  If it were allowed I would open carry as a matter of convenience when having a gun would be expected as in grabbing a sandwich at the deli right across the road from the range.  I might also open carry if there were some sort of public emergency or evacuation.  Other than that, probably stay concealed.

A $75 fine for printing/showing would be a godsend.  Around here printing means automatic, permanent revocation of your CCW and a stiff fine.

Permalink Reply by LShieldes on May 15, 2012 at 10:17am

I keep waffling back and forth on if/when I am finally going to get my CHL.

To be honest, if Texas ever does go with open carry, I still wouldn't.  If I carry, I just don't want it broadcast out to everyone.

Permalink Reply by The Okie on May 15, 2012 at 10:38am

I agree that constantly broadcasting it in malls and other general areas is not going to be a great idea, but for convenience sake, as Suburban Sentinel mentioned, it would be helpful to come and go from the gun range and not worry about having to re-conceal to walk to your car in the parking lot, etc.