I was wondering how my other Christen brothers handle masterbation? Most churchs do not have a prob . with it. some do. Some men think it is unmanly to give into your body, that you are not in control. Just wanted some opinions.
Though this may sound sarcastic,but it really isn't.
According to a minister's sermon I heard years ago:"Adultery, your cheating on your spouse. Masterbation, you're cheating on yourself"
The bible doesn't mention anywhere that masturbastion is a sin; however why do men tend to masturbate? they masturbate to fulfill themselves sexually. It also cannot be done without lusting or fantasizing which is a sin. The problem with Masturbation is that is an act that is entirely focused on self. Real men are first of all God focused. If you are married, then your body belongs to your wife and only she has the right to fulfill it sexually.
If you are single then I don't believe that you are able to do this without undressing someone in your mind. Masturbation many times comes out of looking at pornography (which I won't get into that discussion right now). Because of the sexual frustration that is stirred up by pornography you need a release. Stop the flow of porn material and the need to masturbate usually fades as well (I have experienced this personally and seen this to be true in many other men).
I really appreciate an honest question like this. I am going to go ahead and tell you my standard for this seems really high, but I have a very fulfilling and amazing marriage that is both porn and masturbation free. I am happier as a result. Ultimately, I believe that masturbation only lowers you as a man.
It also cannot be done without lusting or fantasizing which is a sin.
Though you come across as reasonable, please be aware that your position is severely weakened by absolute and unsubstantiated statements such as this.
Granted....Though if possible...why?
Why do I consider it unsubstantiated? Because it is. Here's a link to an article explaining how ejaculation works:
Ejaculation is a physical reaction to a physical stimulus, for the purposes of this discussion, masturbation. Now, don't get me wrong, most men do fantasize while doing it...but, from a physiological standpoint, it is purely physical, and is apparently a spinal reflex.
By your own logic, stated above, the mechanical action of masturbation is not a sin, but the lustful thoughts are...and then you went on to link the two, irrevocably.
As I said earlier, absolute and otherwise unsubstantiated statements such as those serve only to weaken your position in an otherwise reasonable post.
lol no I don't mean why do you think it is unsubstantiated. I understand why you think that. And granted it is a statement that is generalized. So My question more is if you are able to masturbate without fantasizing and lusting, why and how would you do it?
My personal opinion is that a man has night emissions for a reason. You don't even have to be dreaming for it to happen. I won't argue that maybe someone somewhere will try to figure out how to do this and do it without "Sinning".
I do however think it is a degrading act to men and is selfish by nature, but I will leave it at that.
I agree, it is always ends up being selfish even when there are no lustful thoughts.
Is selfishness always a sin?
An interesting question.
Masterbation is also a way to keep certain levels low so I'm not walking around all day with lust on the brain... just another way of looking at it.
Masturbation in the case of a guy going to watch porn to masturbate is in the case of him being married adulterous, a married mans passion should only be for his wife. It's also selfish like AdamR says because that act which is reserved for the spouse because of this feeling of "I need", or "I want".
In the case of single men masturbation makes you numb to the visually stimulation appearance of a women, even if your not looking at porn, you need a visual image, and I'm saying it short like this because I don't want to get into a long winded discussion on how absolutely bad porn is.
Self discipline is exactly what it says, with masturbation your sending a message that your wife isn't enough even though you may keep it from her. We have to stop trying to justify for ourselves. Every man has the urge, that's a cross we have to carry, but we don't have to be a slave to it. You will be a lot happier as a result when you stop masturbating because you have to see things differently, and your marriage will be better for it.
I'm not up on the latest research, but I know some studies conclude it is bad for a man's health to never ejaculate. I have read not all men can fill this medical need with wet dreams. I, for one, find it difficult to accept as God's will any regular religious dictate that is harmful to one's health. [I say "regular" because martyrdom is certainly harmful, but is not something we're commanded to do full-time or annually or anything.]
Yes, Christians in past centuries, and a few of the present, felt vocations to fasting and other forms of bodily mortification that a doctor would not approve of. I consider some such brave men and women my friends. And a good argument can be made that the Torah commanded some Jews to do this [I'm thinking of the Yom Kippur fast, which is absolute for at least 24 hours, for pregnant women, which no obstetrician would ever sign off on.]. But that's not how I read the Bible.
A harder issue for me is whether masturbation is permissible to improve, but not maintain, health. [And if it's possible to make the distinction.] My awful abstinence education suggested it was impossible to be happy without orgasm or breastfeeding. (Limiting the sources of oxytocin and playing up its importance) I'm not a big one for "mind over matter" or "harmed but not injured" or other cliches that tell us, and men in particular, to "tough it out." But the path into self-indulgence is steep.