Does your denomination allow  its members to be Freemasons? Do they forbid it? Do they simply have no official policy about it?

 

What are your denomination's reasons for its stance?

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As far as I know most either don't have a position on Freemasonry or leave it to the individual pastors

I'm pretty sure the Roman Catholic Church explicitly forbids memerbship in Freemasonry and that other groups, like the Knights of Columbus, were created to give Catholics an opportunity to participate in Catholicism-compliant fraternal organizations.

Well yes and no on the Roman Catholic Church. Officially they are to excommunicate any who joins but they have also allowed it where men can ask their local bishop for permission to join and it has been granted
There is a difference in "they are to excommunicate you" and "you are excommunicated ipso facto".
If they excommunicate you, the is a whole process, a special mass, bishops are involved, etc. Its a pretty big deal.

If you are excommunicated "ipso facto", then you, without ceremony, excommunicated yourself by the fact you did whatever you did.

Masons are excommunicated ipso facto.

Actually the Knights of Columbus were originally formed as a fraternal organization providing life insurance and an organized venue for charitable works.  All of which inititially involved those ignorant Papist Micks in New England. I've read that the founders had a lot of trouble convincing the local Bishop to allow it, given the extant Church teaching on secret societies.

I must be thinking of another Catholic-friendly fraternal organization in that case. Lions maybe? Rotary? I forget but I could have sworn that I had read somewhere that the rise in Catholic-friendly fraternal organizations was a direct response to the popularity of organizations like the Freemasons.

All incorrect.

 Catholics are allowed to join the Freemasons,,today. If I remember correctly, it was changed in the mid 70s'. Prior to that, Catholics were forbidden from joining the Freemasons. Higher clergy are still not allowed to join. 

  The Knights of Columbus were started in the 1880s' in New England because the huge popularity of Freemasonry in the United States at the time was costing the Catholic church significant membership. Catholic men were changing churches in order to join Freemasonry in significant numbers at the time, so that Catholic church in New England from a quasi-masonic organization in an effort to combat the talent drain. 

 Freemasonry has never disallowed Catholics from joining. 

Really Denny? You should have said "I think you are all incorrect." Instead you are talking out your ass.

On Nov. 26, 1983, with the approval of Pope John Paul II, the Sacred Congregation (whose prefect was Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI) reiterated the ban on Catholics joining the Masons: "The Church's negative position on Masonic association ... remain unaltered, since their principles have always been regarded as irreconcilable with the Church's doctrine. Hence, joining them remains prohibited by the Church. Catholics enrolled in Masonic associations are involved in serious sin and may not approach holy Communion." 

Speaking of talking out of your ass ....

 Your reference is specific to what is called "The Grand Orient of France" lodge system. It is NOT recognized as legitimate Freemasonry, because they allow atheists (which is absolutely bizarre, if you are familiar with Masonic teachings). 

 Freemasonry is no longer forbidden by the Catholic church, and excommunication for masonic membership is NOT canon law. 

Its on wikipedia for god sake.

"Revised Code of Canon Law
In 1983 the Church revised the Code of Canon Law. Unlike its predecessor, however, Canon 1374 does not explicitly name Masonic orders among the secret societies it condemns. It states:

"A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; one who promotes or takes office in such an association is to be punished with an interdict."

This omission caused some Catholics and Freemasons, especially in America, to believe that the ban on Catholics becoming Freemasons may have been lifted after all,[26] and caused confusion in the Church hierarchy.[27] Many Catholics joined the fraternity, basing their membership on a permissive interpretation of Canon Law and justifying their membership by their belief that Freemasonry does not plot against the Church.[28]

Declaration on Masonic Associations
In 1983, Prefect Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, with the personal approval of Pope John Paul II,[29] issued a Declaration on Masonic Associations, which reiterated the Church's objections to Freemasonry. The Declaration states:

"The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion...." and "...the Church’s negative judgment in regard to Masonic association(s) remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden."[29]" http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_ban_of_Freemasonry#Revised_Cod...

There is no church distinction of french or american. You are plainly wrong.

Are you just skipping over the lines in your own quotes that do not corroborate your argument, Lucius? 

There are no lines that do not corroborate my argument.

Canon law says one thing, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith then califies canon law. You are the one skipping things, and adding others.

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