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Permalink Reply by AdamR on October 21, 2012 at 8:54pm

Significance in my mind is that woman was not taken from the foot that men shall trample on her or from the head that she should rule over him but become a helper to him and walk along side him

Permalink Reply by Liam S. on October 21, 2012 at 11:04pm

And of course, interesting in contrast to Lilith who was created from the clay the same as Adam, at the same time as his equal. Who then left Eden when she refused to become subservient to him. 

Ultimately, though I don't think there is much significance regarding the manner of her creation. Different traditions have different interpretations of her roles, and it is rare that her creation is a factor in determining the role. 

Permalink Reply by Shane on October 22, 2012 at 12:13am

I don't think you're allowed to use midrash.

Permalink Reply by Liam S. on October 22, 2012 at 2:03am

*shrug*

If you're going to borrow stories from a mythological tradition, you might as well scope out what the whole of that tradition says about it. 

Permalink Reply by Ken D Books on October 22, 2012 at 2:33am

Hogwash. Your crap story is no different than the junk Anal posts. This IS posted in Christian Men probably for a reason. Lilith isn't in the Bible, whoevr the hell she is. Like Anals myths nobody wants your myth shit either.

Permalink Reply by Liam S. on October 22, 2012 at 2:43am

Lilith *is* however, written by the people who wrote that part of the bible - and an active part of the Jewish creation stories. I do not think you can so readily ignore the stories from which the bible is derived, or the mythological traditions of the people who wrote the damn thing. A good case could be made that what they think of her is extremely relevant. 

But I admit, it's probably not of any interest to the OP or other people in this group on the whole, and I accept the rebuke. My apologies.

I do maintain that the significance of her having been created from his side/rib (depending on translation), is pretty irrelevant to the role she is asked to play, which varies widely even within the various Christian traditions. Her creation is the least important part of her.

And finally, if you cannot tell the difference between my posts, and Anil's - you have much bigger problems than my attempt to contextualize the book of Genesis. 

Permalink Reply by Mike M. on October 22, 2012 at 3:07am

I wouldn't say that it's of no interest to me.  It wasn't the kind of thing I was going for in this thread, but I do find that sort of thing rather interesting, and I'm not king of the board, anyway.  It wasn't a totally absurd thing to bring up.

I do think that the fact that she was made from Adam's rib is rather significant, but I have to get to sleep, so more on that later...

Permalink Reply by Ken D Books on October 22, 2012 at 4:30am

I understand. But I do tire of self proclaimed non Christians pretending to be experts on biblical subjects. Just because Liam has a brain and has studied religions & philosophy doesn't make what he contributes relevant.

Permalink Reply by Native Son on October 22, 2012 at 8:43am

My biggest fuss, is that the folks who bring in certain religious constructs, and then don't provide any citation.  I've heard of Lilith (and not from watching Cheers), but have no idea where the story comes from, or any of the details.

Your bete noir "a" is so blissfully unaware of how the groups work he'd be amusing if he was brief.

Permalink Reply by Shane on October 23, 2012 at 12:42am

So Lillith was Adam's first wife.  The wife from Genesis 1 who was created as a co-equal with Adam.  See Eve, from Genesis 2, was created from Adam, and thus a part of him, and a little less.  While Lillith was made at the same time and from the same material as Adam.

Lillith and Adam lived a long and happy life.  They were the only two people on earth.  They had the run of it.  Them and the animals.  So they roamed the earth being all naked and free like prehistoric hippies having sex all over the place.  Because, lets face it, when you're the only two people on earth, what else are you gonna do?

Except that one day, Lillith realized she was bored.  Specifically, she was bored with the plain vanilla, WASP sex Adam was putting out.  So she told Adam, "Yo, A.  I'm tired this missionary position sh!t.  Let me be on top next time."  And Adam was all, "Hellll nah woman,
you get the bottom an I'mma do my thing."

And Lillith was all upset an she tells Adam, "You're my man an I'm your woman an we're equal in all dis.  You were there.  Let me be on top."  And Adam still said nah.  So Lillith looks over an seen a couple dogs goin at it and she was like, "Yo A.  Check that sh!t out.  Why don't you hit dat ass from behind."  And Adam was all like, "Da' fvcks wrong with you woman?"

So then, Lillith was like, "Check it out, yo.  I'm my own woman. Imma do me, you do you. Deuces."

Thing was, Lillith just dipped on the only man on earth.  An her bein her, she still had them urges ya know?  So she wandered all over the earth doin that thing she does with all kinds a animals an panthers an sh!t.

But, this was all before the Garden, right?  And she never got invited to that party.  So, she never ate of the fruit of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.  So she never had to die.

So now, there's this horny immortal b!tch roaming the earth lookin for anything an everything to get it on with for all eternity.  And it drove her crazy.  So that crazy  skank ass ho immortal turned into a succubus and still wanders the earth seducing men.

Permalink Reply by Nick H on October 23, 2012 at 1:45am

I've heard of Lilith, but from the chickfest led by Sarah McLaughlin called Lilithfair (Sarah said in an interview that Lilith was Adam's first wife and was replaced with Eve because she wouldn't submit to Adam). Never knew where it came from.

Permalink Reply by Shane on October 22, 2012 at 3:44am

I'm pretty sure the story you're telling is 8th century CE at the earliest.  And you left out all the good  parts.

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