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Permalink Reply by JonEdanger on October 11, 2012 at 5:04am

This should be good.

Permalink Reply by Ken D Books on October 11, 2012 at 5:25am

Most christians are hypocrites...They don't live the standards of the Bible they claim to follow...so how the hell can they honestly advise this young man? It seems obvious enough that Walters knows the correct answers to his questions...but like every dude, he's looking for a way out...i suspect he will get enough answers from men from this group to satisfy his carnal desires......

Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on October 11, 2012 at 8:04am

There you go, scaring all the Christian hypocrites who were about to advertise orgy. You've completely ruined a sting operation, son. Your youthful recklessness has destroyed a six-month operations just so you could play Mr. moralism 2012.

At least, you've learned from this that moralism is stupid & petty, so it was all worth it. I know some will think it's sentimental, but I'm proud to see you grow before our very eyes--you'll be able to barge into a conversation without insulting almost everyone gratuitously, repeatedly, people you don't know.

Then, one day not too far into the future, you'll be able to look most Christians in the eye without spitting in their eye, to say nothing of stomping on them, like we all now they deserve.

Permalink Reply by Ken D Books on October 11, 2012 at 9:10am

I am no moralist. My observations of christians, and it's telling on this board too, is they're hypocrites ...as I've already said. 

They all claim to follow the Bible, but their own personal opinions, pleasures, desires, and wants, trump the bible everytime. that's all nothing more nothing less...

they cannot live what they preach... and there is a reason...

just like the young man above...he knows the "right" (based on christian morals) thing to do, he's just seeking justification to do something else....

Permalink Reply by Titus Techera on October 11, 2012 at 9:32am

I feel sure you are neglectful of your sworn duties. You're no moralist--you've seen things--you know. Should not you be naming names & making specific accusations to prove how the board members have done unspeakable deeds against the Bible? Surely, these board members--these so-called Christians--are trying to hide God knows what evil. Expose them. Speak truth to the hypocrites!

Permalink Reply by Paul_of_TX on October 11, 2012 at 9:38am

You are right and that is why we are Christians because we know we sin and we need a savior. We know we can't live the life that God desires us to live; we fail and come up short everyday. In fact every Sunday we say it out loud in Church:

O almighty God, merciful Father, I, a poor, miserable sinner, confess unto Thee all my sins and iniquities with which I have ever offended Thee and justly deserved Thy temporal and eternal punishment. But I am heartily sorry for them and sincerely repent of them, and I pray Thee of Thy boundless mercy and for the sake of the holy, innocent, bitter sufferings and death of Thy beloved Son, Jesus Christ, to be gracious and merciful to me, a poor, sinful being...Amen.

It is in fact you who are wrong when you think Christians do no wrong or should do no wrong since they are Christian.

Permalink Reply by Ken D Books on October 11, 2012 at 10:25am

the way I see it... is if a person becomes a christian their life changes dramatically...i've read stories, true accounts of this...they are no longer what they once were...isn't a christian a christian 24/7 365, not just on sunday?.

i'm not disputing christians are human and make mistakes, what i have a real problem with is hypocrisy and christians justifying their "no-different-than-me" lives....

a christian by definition should be different from non-christians...right?

Permalink Reply by Paul_of_TX on October 11, 2012 at 10:38am

In action no there is no difference because a Christian will commit sins just like a non Christian. The difference is in repentance. Christians struggle to repent and turn away from sin but different people struggle with different sins. If people were capable of truly repenting of their sins there would be no need for a Savior and the Christian religion wouldn't exist. Through this struggle Christians know they are forgiven of their sins even if the do commit the same sins over and over again.

We might be in agreement when it come to "Christians" who take the stance that they will be forgiven so they can do whatever they want or those who have themselves convinced they are better than others and they don't commit sins like everyone else. We could even argue that they are not Christian or don't really know what a Christian is since they are not following the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Permalink Reply by Ken D Books on October 11, 2012 at 10:43am

nothing you wrote makes sense. why the hell repent if you will do it again and it really doesn't matter?...it makes no sense that jesus died for your sins if you will do them again over and over because it really doesn't matter because he died? thats stupid.

Permalink Reply by Paul_of_TX on October 11, 2012 at 10:52am

As a Christian I can't explain it to you. Jesus only asks us to spread the gospel message that he died for our sins. It is not up to me to convince you or make you believe it.

Permalink Reply by Ken D Books on October 11, 2012 at 11:15am

As a Christian I can't explain it to you. Jesus only asks us to spread the gospel message that he died for our sins. It is not up to me to convince you or make you believe it.

 

that's the problem...you should be able to explain it if you truly believe it....

Permalink Reply by Tanner on October 11, 2012 at 12:09pm

Ken you're absolutely right, a Christian should be able to explain it. The problem is that most Christians only get the first part of repentance, confession, while forgetting the second part where we stop doing it. Martin Luther, the great reformer, said that "God willed that whole of a Christian's life be one of repentance." He didn't mean that we continually sin and then say, "oh darn, did it again, sorry 'bout that." He meant, the same as Paul meant in Romans that we respond in obedience by uprooting our sin, bringing it into the light by simply admitting what we struggle with (confession) and then stop doing that anymore by the grace of God

Take porn for example, that has been a huge struggle for me in the past but I never talked about it, I was ashamed. Because Jesus has transformed my heart and mind I can see that the longer I kept that inside and hidden in the dark the more powerful that was in destroying me through sinful desire and the guilt that followed.

All of this sounds great but you have to acknowledge one last thing...and I'm reticent to say this. (This has been used countless time by Christians in religous snobbery who either can't explain or can't back up Biblically an assertion they have made. So please hear my heart in this, I am trying to explain things fully because I hear in your tone that you have serious questions even though you like to poke fun at the things that really deserve it...) The Bible is clear that the things of God don't make sense to those who are not truly Christians, the mark of which is the transformation that comes with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. "God uses the weak to shame the strong etc." So, the question of why do Christians still sin if we're transformed? Let me ask you this, if you know of someone who has no outward sin but is proud of themselves for being such a good Christian, how is that any different than Satan's sin of pride in believing himself greater than God? Or how about this, if we were able to stop sinning from this moment on until our death, how do we atone or pay for the sins of our childhood? We can't with anything less that our own death which gets us to the same place, separation from God, that's the point.

The answer is always Jesus, always. We Christians should acknowledge sin and put it to death by bringing it out into the light like a mold that can't survive in open sunlight. We should admit that we are flawed because then all the credit and glory for anything good that we do can be attributed to a God who chooses to show grace, which is undeserved and unearned favor, and then work through his adopted Children even though we aren't perfect or worthy or ready to be commissioned. We're still being refined ourselves.

Christianity doesn't make you perfect. It exposes our flaws and need of Jesus. We need to focus on that, that's the real story.

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