I am a Canadian but I follow American news for obvious reasons. 
I could not help but notice the increase of school shootings being reported. 

I am just curious what you men have to say about gun or weapons in general. 

This is not to discuss so much the second amendment as it is to have you say what you think of arms. 

I myself detest guns. I hate how some random street punk can kill an upright and great man at the pull of a trigger. It simply upsets me. 
Before when one wished to kill someone else, poison and such may have been used, but combat was primarily up close and personal with melee based weapons. 
I have a passion for melee weapons and the arts that accompanies them. Centuries have been spent in order to perfect various forms of martial arts. The human body, the movements, the elegance, the power and the speed. They're all so beautiful to me. That is why guns upset me, because a random punk can send a practitioner of one of these arts with a finger movement. 
I realize that a similar argument would be that a simple punk can kill a man with a knife. 

I also realize that I am simplifying the use of a gun, and I am making it sound easy to use, but in some ways it is. If you handle a gun with skill, that's something, but a street punk can use it by aiming in a general direction and pulling the trigger a few times. 

I would like to hear everyone else's input. This is just my opinion. If you wish to argue against me, I'll be happy to read it. Make sure to post your own views. 

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I'm already making my popcorn in anticipation of this thread.

I am open to everything. I have different views. This is all subjective and opinion based. There is no right or wrong I think. If someone wants to go ballistic, well that's fine. They are passionate about that and I respect that. 

Actually, I would be pretty impressed if someone were to change my views. I welcome it. 

i think that you should carry a gun so that you will be able to defend yourself from people with guns,


What makes you think the "upright and great man" would be more physically capable than the "random street punk"?  Does it upset you that a small weak woman can kill a far more physically capable rapist at the pull of a trigger?  Or that a frail old man can kill a young musclebound intruder at the pull of the trigger?

Is this entirely a matter of might makes right to you?  Is the better melee fighter necessarily the good man?

God made man.  Samuel Colt made them equal.  That's a good thing.  Lots of good brawlers in prison.


Good points! 

Case in point.  An old man with a concealed handgun takes out two younger, faster, stronger armed robbers at a Florida internet cafe ...

If you had it your way, he wouldn't have had a chance.


This is a topic I am very passionate about, because I am a hunter, recreational shooter and NRA member. I could go on and on on this topic, but i'll contain myself. Go look at the great debate, there is a great and fascinating thread about shootings and gun control. 

Obviously guns are used in crime, but thats not always the weapon of choice for a criminal. For instance in Spain, I have a friend who is a police officer there, he barely ever carries a gun because gun crime is very low in Spain, but people have access to guns, they hunt, and they have had numerous riots and such, but they dont use guns because thats not what it is used for. It is a tool to hunt with

A gun is a tool, and that is it. In the hands of a responsible citizen, it is harmless and even useful. But like you said, if a criminal has it, it is dangerous. And why is it that when there is a shooting, we think to blame the gun (tool), but when a man drives drunk, we blame his mental state and not the car (tool)? 

Finally I think that weapons are fine to have, most people know how to use them properly. And I do not like the government stepping in, if it gets the power to ban one type of gun, it has the power to ban whatever type of gun it wants.

I would also like some feedback on this topic, I am doing a gun control presentation for school, and I have most everything I need, but I am having a difficult time defining, "Arms'', as it is stated in the second amendment (or which arms the second amendment applies to), if anyone can help I would appreciate it.

Excellent points! 
Really great. 

Well considering that the second amendment was made in the 1800's, I would say muskette guns and swords. I don't believe that they had semi-automatic rifles in mind... 

The Bill of rights was created in 1789 and i think ratified in 1791, and they obviously did not imagine some of the weapons we have today but they knew muskets would improve and weapons would advance. The revolver was only a few years away. The question is how far did they imagine weapons to advance...

That's not the question.  The question is "why it should matter?".

We don't ask whether James Madison envisioned internet pornography when we talk about the freedom of speech.  He didn't ... but it doesn't matter.  We simply say, we have the right to the freedom of speech ... in whatever form technology allows.

Why should we ask whether James Madison envisioned the AR15?  He couldn't have.  But it doesn't matter.  Its not the government's business to use technology advances since the 1790s to try to create loopholes in rights.  The founders need not have thought-up all the technology we've come up with in the last 225 years.

The Bill of Rights was drafted with general terms like -- "arms", "speech", "religion", "press", etc. -- for a reason ... so they would be broadly applicable to whatever advances came about, whether they could imagine them or not.


Some of the best points I've seen made on this topic.

The opinion of the founders was that every citizen should be armed with a wepon that was at least equal to the same wepon that the soldiers of the greatest military power in the world possessed. At  that time it was the British, the Founders believed that the citizens should always have the firepower to remove a government from control and that meant being able to out gun the police/military that said government might control and use against the citizens. They never envisioned a machine gun but they did envision the general citizenry always haveing the same arms at their disposal as the military no matter how devastating the wepons might be.



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