Hello Just found this site through a side door whilst Googling around for info on antique shotguns of all things and when I saw the monicker of "Manly Arts" I thought, WTF another testosterone drenched forum, but I looked around within a bit and was pleasantly surprised
I think they should change it from "Reviving the Lost Art of Manliness" to "Discovering the Arts of Manliness". It seems to me as a newbie that this site may be discovering or shaping a new "manliness" for a new time. Let's face it, a lot of what was lost deserved to be lost. I just turned 60 and I do not hold my father's generation in "great" esteem, visa-vi manliness...more like crudeliness. They were trapped within their times just like us.
Some of those lost arts are quaint and loveable, and some are downright deplorable. Most of what was lost was lost due to technical obsolescence and marketing.
As I said I am now 60. When I was 20 I looked around and asked "when do I become a man", for what is a man? I asked the same question at 30. Our modern culture does not give us good manly identity as did the tribal systems all throughout human history...you knew when you were a man. Today it's when I stumble upon to it and figure it out fore myself. Or is it only "I consume therefore I am" a man?
"Manly" in this forum takes on 3 definitions, depending on context. The first roughly translates the Latin "virtus," and means "related to the perfection of the adult human male" mostly in the moral sense. This is the predominant use in "Is smoking pot manly?"
The second means "of or associated with adult human males, usually as opposed to females." Example: "Hunting is a manly hobby."
The last basically means "the majority of members of this forum like it." This is the one used for discussions of clothes and lots of morally neutral and/or gender neutral hobbies, or when the forum is trying to express praise for men partaking in an activity that would not be "manly" according to the second definition. I think baking and tea drinking are examples, but the members of those groups might disagree.
Baking? really? Nothing could be more manly...it's damn hard work and takes brains. It's solid beer for crisakes.
Not bad ... for a girl. The third one's a little shaky, though.
Our modern culture does not give us good manly identity as did the tribal systems all throughout human history...
I suppose it would have been easier to figure out you were a man at the age of 13 when you were drug out into the desert, had the tip of your dick sliced, given a pointy stick, and told to go kill a lion.
I agree with you to a good extent though, I'm certainly not nostalgic for an era created in myth of pop culture. But, that's pretty much any era. Might as well pick one which at least has nice clothes to try and emulate.
But you knew it when it happened...clarity. All my old man could say was, "don 't get any pecker tracks on ceiling of my car".
Seems an important protocol to adhere to.
Drop by the New Warriors AoM group. We're all about initiation.
Your question can, and will be discussed ad-infinitum, because there is no real answer.
We all live in realities of our own creation, using a crude system of marks and sounds to convey ideas and concepts, thoughts and feelings to each other.
Everyone has their own set of parameters as to what is manly; does a consensus of those parameters equal truth? I am not sure of that, nor do I wish to accept it.
It's a rhetorical question based upon the assumption that something is "lost" and needs to be "revived". Exactly what was lost? Manliness? And it is what exactly? An illusion developed by what or whom...Wall Street, Ad-Street, Wallmart, the NFL, Big Beer, daddy and mommy? It's a shifting cultural thing with tons of historical baggage. This whole site is dedicated to men finding and or defining lost "manliness". Why then the site, if not the question? Your answer is spot on though...carve it out.
If we look back at those famous icons our culture consider real manly men we find that many if not most were very narrow dimensional manlies. Way too easy. They were not necessarily good husbands or fathers or sons. They carved it out. So I guess the answer is to create your own illusion.
Look at quantum physics and what they are finding; what we think is real is increasingly not at all, it's all in our perception, so illusion is a good word.
Not quite Carl. Quantum physics doesn't change reality at all. A system exists in many states or I should say all possible states, when that system is observed all those possible states collapse into one state, which is the reality we see. Prior to the observation the reality is that it existed in all it's possible states. An alternative explanation is that there are multiple universes and when the system collapses it collapses into all possible states only one of which exists in this, our, universe, our reality.
But as far as manliness goes, much of the trappings of 'manliness' are cultural in nature and change over time. Ghengis Kahn's tribe thought that raping and pillaging was manly whereas today I don't think we hold to that notion, at least most of us don't.
Quantum physics says we can change the outcome of something merely by our observance of it... if that does not show how malleable reality is I don't know what else does.