Hello Just found this site through a side door whilst Googling around for info on antique shotguns of all things and when I saw the monicker of "Manly Arts" I thought, WTF another testosterone drenched forum, but I looked around within a bit and was pleasantly surprised

I think they should change it from "Reviving the Lost Art of Manliness" to "Discovering the Arts of Manliness".  It seems to me as a newbie that this site may be discovering or shaping a new "manliness" for a new time. Let's face it, a lot of what was lost deserved to be lost. I just turned 60 and I do not hold my father's generation in "great" esteem, visa-vi manliness...more like crudeliness. They were trapped within their times just like us.

Some of those lost arts are quaint and loveable, and some are downright deplorable. Most of what was lost was lost due to technical obsolescence and marketing.

As I said I am now 60. When I was 20 I looked around and asked "when do I become a man", for what is a man? I asked the same question at 30. Our modern culture does not give us good manly identity as did the tribal systems all throughout human history...you knew when you were a man. Today it's when I stumble upon to it and figure it out fore myself. Or is it only "I consume therefore I am" a man?

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"Manly" in this forum takes on 3 definitions, depending on context. The first roughly translates the Latin "virtus," and means "related to the perfection of the adult human male" mostly in the moral sense. This is the predominant use in "Is smoking pot manly?"

The second means "of or associated with adult human males, usually as opposed to females." Example: "Hunting is a manly hobby."

The last basically means "the majority of members of this forum like it." This is the one used for discussions of clothes and lots of morally neutral and/or gender neutral hobbies, or when the forum is trying to express praise for men partaking in an activity that would not be "manly" according to the second definition. I think baking and tea drinking are examples, but the members of those groups might disagree.

Baking? really? Nothing could be more manly...it's damn hard work and takes brains. It's solid beer for crisakes.

Not bad ... for a girl.  The third one's a little shaky, though.


But you knew it when it happened...clarity. All my old man could say was, "don 't get any pecker tracks on ceiling of my car".

Drop by the New Warriors AoM group.  We're all about initiation.

Your question can, and will be discussed ad-infinitum, because there is no real answer.

We all live in realities of our own creation, using a crude system of marks and sounds to convey ideas and concepts, thoughts and feelings to each other.

Everyone has their own set of parameters as to what is manly; does a consensus of those parameters equal truth? I am not sure of that, nor do I wish to accept it.

Hi Terry

It's a rhetorical question based upon the assumption that something is "lost" and needs to be "revived". Exactly what was lost? Manliness? And it is what exactly? An illusion developed by what or whom...Wall Street, Ad-Street, Wallmart, the NFL, Big Beer, daddy and mommy? It's a shifting cultural thing with tons of historical baggage. This whole site is dedicated to men finding and or defining lost "manliness". Why then the site, if not the question? Your answer is spot on though...carve it out.

If we look back at those famous icons our culture consider real manly men we find that many if not most were very narrow dimensional manlies. Way too easy. They were not necessarily good husbands or fathers or sons. They carved it out. So I guess the answer is to create your own illusion.

Look at quantum physics and what they are finding; what we think is real is increasingly not at all, it's all in our perception, so illusion is a good word.

Quantum physics says we can change the outcome of something merely by our observance of it... if that does not show how malleable reality is I don't know what else does. 

What the Bleep Do We Know? -- huh!

But quantum effects work on very tiny particles.  Bigger chunks of matter are more stubborn.

As I said to Landmark devotees:  if you think reality is just perception -- or, in their terms, exists "only in language" -- try walking out in front of a bus.  Or, rather, don't

I honor you for asking, OP.  I would say I hope when I'm 60 I'm still asking questions, but if I'm alive, I'm sure I will be.  For me, thinking I have all the answers I need seems less like maturity than like death.


Quite a cogent comment on schools teaching MBA/Admin only.  I well recall the culture shock, when upon graduation, I realized all my academic work on a Bachelor's in Business Administration fully fitted me for a job about four management levels above my very junior manager/supervisor position...and that was several decades ago.  All too often since, I've encountered the over educated underexperienced MBA type in both professional and personal circles.


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