There is much debate/discussion amongst military circles( at least in the army) about the look of the current army uniform. many claim that it is poorly designed, looks ugly, doesn't camoflauge with anything, etc. etc.

They are also many that do not like the new Army service uniform( Blues) verses the old Greens. 

I was wondering what the civillian perspective is. Does a man in uniform still attract with the current uniforms? Do you all think it looks good? does the american/world public care? 

Views: 1218

Reply to This

Replies to This Discussion

I always thought army was green.  I am a bit sad to hear it went blue.  Beyond that I don't deal with the military and mostly see them in camo when I see them around campus.  I don't really have an opinion.  

I'm assuming you're referring to the modern 'digital pattern' fatigues, and the old 'pinks and greens'? 

As for the fatigues: I don't like the look of 'm at all, but I assume scientists have figured out they camouflage really well. Still, I feel they don't look like what you'd expect from a military man somehow. Something is off. 

As for the blues vs. pinks and greens: Pinks and greens have been out a very long time I believe, but I think they looked very 'Army'. The Blues look more generic, making you wonder (as a layman, which I am) if your looking at an Army or an Air Force guy. 

Anyway, i'm a sentimental guy, and I like the way things used to look. 

There are still a few who wear green dress uniforms, I don't know if the date of final phase out is upon us or not but you will see a lot of the older generation NCOs still in them, they think they look snazyer

You'd be wrong.  Here's a brief history of Army ACU's:

 

The Marines spent a few hundred thousand dollars testing over two dozen camoflauge patterns and materials, utilizing scientists in conjunction with Scout Snipers, and finally decided on a pattern closely resembling CADPAT developed by the Canadians for NATO.  The Marines tweaked the colors a little bit and stamped the EGA on it then issued two different color patterns; desert and green.

 

The Army saw it and said, "ZOMGWTFBBQ!11!!111! I CAN HAZ NAO????"

And the Marines responded with, "See this here EGA? Copyright bitches."

 

So the Army answered by spending several million dollars to study less than half a dozen patterns, ultimately deciding to choose a pattern which wasn't used in the testing, the Marine's.   Which they then recolored and issued with a few more pockets, which soldiers  use for the most idiotic purposes.

 

Once the Army fielded the new ACU grays greens they realized it doesn't work anywhere, and promptly issued the pattern used by Special Forces to everyone who was going anywhere not the PX.

Yup.......that pretty much covers it.

I'd laugh at that story if it wasn't so wastefully and completely pathetic. What a cock-up.

   As a history buff, I find it kind of endearing that the Army is back in dark blue, which of course was it's original color.  Dress uniforms originally started to change to various greens and tans in the wake of the Spanish American war so as not to offend southerners in the service that would take offense to wearing Yankee blue. But, then again, I'm a yankee.

   Concerning the digital camo patterns, I don't think they work very well in the field. (Disclaimer; all my experience comes from paintball). To me the old 90's era camo blended well into a variety of environments.  The new stuff seems too light in color, and to stick out whether against gravel, forest, or even urban settings. I think it might help blur an outline when in motion, but it's certainly easier to spot when motionless. And it's much easier to spot at night.

   History and silly wargaming aside, I believe people still respect that uniform when they see it on the street.

  The same man standing in front of the same background in both uniforms, that sort of thing?

  

  It's entirely possible my negative experiences with it were due to the peculiarities of the forest terrain up here in the northeast. I'm certainly not trying to armchair general my opinions on fighting tech.

Jess is talking about the Marine cammies.  The Army cammies, well, there's a reason the only place they're worn is in garrison.

yeah, yours were, not the armies. plus you all have the worst PT uniform

There is an old Army legend that goes like this:  At a command & staff college shortly after Vietnam and when the military was not held in the highest esteem, a batch of promising higher ranking officers were given an "impossible" question where no matter what answer they gave the cadre would shoot them down.  "What was the single most common difference between winning and losing sides in wars?"  The cadre expected answers involving technology, moral, numbers, etc...

What they came up with was: "The side with the best dressed officers always loses."  Think about that a moment.  Nazis, Confederates, tribal chiefs, etc...  based on this they projected that if the whole world jumped into a free for all China would win and the US would pull up a close second.  Shortly after this the Army was issued BDUs. 

RSS

Latest Activity

Chuck Knight replied to Sam K's discussion Materialism and Marxism in the group The Great Debate
"And you're back to confusing empathy and pity. My suggestion, my sincere suggestion, is to go find a dictionary. I truly don't believe that you understand the meaning of the word on which your argument hinges."
15 minutes ago
Roland replied to Steve Dallas's discussion Scalia in the group The Great Debate
"Great Justice, great, man, of the Constitution as it was written. Hope we get another like him, but I don't expect so..."
16 minutes ago
Sam K added a discussion to the group The Great Debate
Thumbnail

Political radicalism

Briefly dabbled basically a form of nihilistic anarchism (was raised in a "orthodox" religious sect, and bought into some of the New Atheist criticisms of religion, feeling that religion or established mores were a means of oppression and dishonesty, particularly literal interpretations of the Bible). Didn't consider myself an "atheist" but was against "organized religion" - got disillusioned with it pretty quickly when I realized most of the New Atheist followers were far-left socialists and…See More
31 minutes ago
P. Dictus Magister replied to Ian M's discussion Offered a job- can't decide whether to accept!
"It is a difficult question. I always ask myself where should a man live. I left my hometown 9 years ago, and I moved to the capital. It was a big change in my life, I started the uniersity, but after I got my ba degree I stayed. I always loved my…"
1 hour ago
Esgrimma replied to Sam K's discussion Materialism and Marxism in the group The Great Debate
"I'm consolidating al these related subthreads so we can tame this octopus of duplicated content http://community.artofmanliness.com/xn/detail/2357106:Comment:2012144"
1 hour ago
Joshua Card replied to Michael Presto's discussion Knife talk.
"Rick, I agree about not wanting your pants too loose.  I usually wear pants that a belt isn't even required to keep them up, I just wear a belt for more style.  I'd use it as a weapon because the buckle is hard metal and the…"
1 hour ago
Steve Dallas added a discussion to the group The Great Debate
Thumbnail

Scalia

Figured I'd start the discussion off. Any thoughts on his life?His dominant place in history as a conservative? as a Supreme Court Justice?Sen Cruz filibuster to stop any nomination?Should the rest of the R's stop any nomination until the election?See More
1 hour ago
Ian M posted a discussion

Offered a job- can't decide whether to accept!

Hi there, I'm struggling to make up my mind regarding a job offer which if accepted would be life changing for me, and would appreciate others' input, as I've been unable to reach a decision despite thinking about it all weekend.My current situation is that I live and work in London, England managing peoples' investments. I struggled for several years to find a firm where I could grow a client base, which is what I have been able to do at the present firm. So I am very grateful to have a job…See More
1 hour ago

© 2016   Created by Brett McKay.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service