Hi, I do realise there are probably many posts on this subject, so I'm happy of course for it to be moved. But I want to discuss not only tie tacks and pins, but the definitions, and maybe also tie bars.
Normally, I don't wear a tie. I used to years ago, and also liked tie bars, but I got in to the mind set that ties were 'stupid', generally hard to keep clean, demonstrated that 'you're workin' for The Man' and 'passe'. I do wear suits to work, and like to wear odd jackets. I almost always wear vintage cufflinks to work, but never a tie. I should say right here I like vintage almost anything (cameras, fountain pens, tea cups, cufflinks, style of clothes (30's) etc).
However, a month or so ago I bought a jumper (pullover), a nice sky blue to wear with my brown chinos, a white shirt and brown English hand made boots. Unfortunately, it DOES make me look a little like an aged Tin Tin but I like it. I found one can't really wear a round neck jumper (pullover) with a shirt and no tie; it's hard to work out WHAT to do with the shirt collar (in, out, what), so I decided to eat my words and wear a tie with it.
I asked my 85 year old father for a few of his ties from the 50's (quite nice they are, but short and less 'substantial' than modern ties). I found the 1/2 Windsor knot I used to use was too small so now go for a full Windsor knot.
For the first time a couple of weeks ago I actually wore one of the vintage ties with my suit, and quite liked it. But, I still hate how the things dangle all over the place, so I'm investigating tie tacks and tie pins. I did start off looking at tie bars, and found some vintage ones I like, but most are too thick. The vintage ones are quite fine (i..e thin) which I like. But then I came across tie tacks and tie pins. It's interesting that when you Google images of tie bars or tie pins you get a number of different results, including collar bars (which I also like).
I've found a hat stick pin I like, but am wondering how to wear it. How does it go through the shirt? The tie tacks make sense, although I know they may make a small hole in the tie. I intend to wear the pictured tie pin with a grey tie, white shirt and brown chinos.
Another question (other than how to wear the tie pin) is can you wear a collar bar AND a tie tack? Well, I know one CAN, but SHOULD you?
The tie pin is actually a hat pin but I intend to make it shorter, and if it doesn't work out as a tine pin I can use it as a lapel pin. Yes, I know it's pink, but I'm OK with that...
The first picture is the tie (hat) pin, the second the tie tack and the third a photo from the 'net showing a tie pin in a tie.
I look forward to your thoughts and conversation.
The first and only time I used a tie pin it ruined the tie. I threw the pin away and never used a tie pin or any tie restraint again. If I need my tie to be restrained, I tuck it into my shirt between the buttons.
Should you wear a tie tack and a tie bar at the same time? No.
Sorry, now I've got the terms mixed up, I mean tie tack and collar bar...
I've edited the original post to add some clarity :-)
A suggestion for something you might try. A Tie Chain. Basically a short length of chain attached to a horizontal bar that hooks over a shirt button. NO holes in the tie, and keeps the tie from flopping around loose. They've been around a while, my dad wore one back in the late 1940s and 1950s. If you google "Tie Chain", you'll find several styles illustrated.
Yeah, I've seen those, not bad. Not really sure how'd they be of MUCH use, though...
Keeps your necktie out of the soup or the shredder for starters.
It doesn't mess with the fabric of the tie.
You don't need several of them to accommodate different widths of ties.
And I'm not talking about the ones that are part of a collar pin.
You don't necessarily end up looking like your fashion sense is derived entirely from watching episodes of Mad Men.
Oh, sorry, I thought you were talking of those that form part of a collar bar. I've not seen Mad Man. I do like the Great Gatsby style though...
I'm not a fan of tie bars. Even though the tacks mess with the fabric of the tie I figure that's just a cost that needs to be absorbed for my sense of fashion. I've thought about the tie chains but haven't found one in any of the nearby stores although I haven't looked very hard. Tie pins seem to double the affect on the tie fabric but the one you showed looked pretty nice.
Tie tacks can look sharp, but a) they are sharp, and can put a hole in the tie and b) even if that doesn't happen, the catch on the pin will wear down so that eventually it doesn't stay stuck in the holder. I've never looked into whether that can be fixed, but I did get a tip from my dad on the holes: wiggle the pin back and forth when pushing it into the tie, so that it pushes between the threads rather than breaking them. Of course, if you mess up even once you now have a hole.
Tie bars can also look good, but I'm not a fan. It doesn't allow the tie to move at all, so it's either choking you when you look up, or rumpling up when you bend down.
So I do the tie chain. They can be hard to find: I had to special-order them from my local jeweler. Buy a silver chain and a gold chain and they'll go with any tie. I do tuck the tail of the tie into my shirt, since the chain doesn't keep the two ends together and I think it looks sloppy to have both ends flying around.
If the tack is a decent one you can get a new pin soldered on at a jewelers, you can use pencil erasers on the inside of the tie by just poking the pin into the eraser, or purchase a new receiver for the pin.
BTW, just to re-visit this (by way of re-visiting this site after many a month) I must report that my tie tack really has put nary a hole in my ties... :-)
The tie pin exists largely as a vestige from the cravat or ascot, wherein the majority of manners of donning did require a pin.
Perchance a waistcoat would confine your tie in a manner superior both in constraint and elegance. There would exist also the bow tie.
It exists as my opine that the majority of discomfort which many correlate to the tie exists rather as a lack of girth of the collar of the shirting.