Why is it that so many people feel free to take what is mine and what I've earned?
A little background. I grew up the son of a son of a sharecropper. My grandfather, whom I never knew was a sharecropper in Arkansas and he died before he was 45. My was about 2 years old when my grandfather passed away. He joined the Air Force and became an jet engine mechanic. Growing up with 6 kids we never had much but what we had we worked for. I graduated high school and entered the Navy. After 14 years I got out and went to college (the only one of us who got a 4 year degree). I graduated with my BS and MBA after 7 years. Since then I've had 3 jobs and am, finally, making a decent salary.
Now, my wife and I both work to support our three children and pay our bills. We don't expect anyone to bail us out if we overextend ourselves and don't expect that we should be required to bail anyone else out. However, there are those among the general populace that believe that because we are (somewhat) successful we should be paying to support other people who are not as successful. Why should that be? Why should I pay for someone else's kid to go to college when it is in doubt that my own children will be able to attend because we make too much money to qualify for certain financial aid programs that are afforded to other kids? It is my money that goes toward those aid programs. Tell me how that is fair. Tell me how it is reasonable that, even though I have health insurance, I still pay out of pocket costs for health care for myself and my family when others pay nothing to visit those same doctors because they have Medicaid? Isn't it my money that pays for that health program? Tell me how it is reasonable that I go to work, take care of my house and property, and raise my kids to be decent citizens when others stay at home collecting money they haven't earned and STILL can't even take care of their own children? I still end up paying for "After School Programs" that don't address the problem along with supporting them and their parent! How the hell is that fair? And then those same kids join gangs and end up murdering someone anyway. Don't tell me that about the few kids who actually stay off drugs and out of gangs because they are the exception, not the rule. Those damn after-school programs don't work; they're designed simply to keep kids off the streets and they don't even do that.
Don't tell ME that life isn't fair, I know that, tell that to those that I'm currently supporting and tell them that I don't want to support them anymore. I've worked hard to support my family and I expect others to do the same.
Instead of trying to achieve equality of outcomes let's achieve equality of opportunity! In otherwords I can't guarantee that you will become wealthy, but I can guarantee you will have the opportunity should you choose to work hard.
If we could kill those the world would be a much better place.
Agreed. When people lay claim to your material goods, next they want to claim your mind. Read more here. http://www.forbes.com/sites/objectivist/2012/02/28/the-on-your-own-...
You mean your not a fan of the United Socialistic States of Amerika courtesy of the current administrations views, hence the phrase "I will Fundamentally change Amerika" You poor 1%er... I didn't sigh up for it either I consider it to a "DOMESTIC ENEMY" they got to go!
I know you said don't tell you, but it is true, life isn't fair. You are proud of your heritage and your father and grandfather's story. I think its unfair that many people don't even know who their father is.
You have a wife and children and enough going well in your life that you see the chance of your kids getting a college education as a possibility. Why do you think you deserve more? Isn't that enough for you to be thankful? I'm sure you worked hard but I promise you that it took more than that for you to get to where you are in life. Whether you know it or not, someone else gave you a helping hand along the way and luck played a big part too. Heck, there are tons of people out there who worked harder than you or me and got nothing to show for it. How is that fair?
None of us are special. We each got as far as we did predominately because of stuff we had no control over. Good genes, no issues with either our development in the womb or after, stable homes, good parents, few temptations along the way, not getting burned by the temptations we did dabble with, etc. What's wrong with sharing a bit of our success with those less fortunate?
Or if self-preservation is your primary driver. Think of it this way. If something happened to you tomorrow, what kind of world would you rather have your family left behind in? One where others are willing to give up a bit of their wealth, possibly reduce the opportunities they can give to their own kids to help yours, or a world where others tell your family to go to hell because they worked hard to support their own family and they expect others to do the same. Very few people expect to need the government to bail them out, but sh*t happens. The fact you are complaining about this tells me that you are fortunate enough to so far not have it happen to you. Once again, be thankful.
Finally, you acknowledge that "after school" programs allow some kids, possibly only a few, to avoid gangs and a violent death and still you are complaining? Why? Money you don't need (you may want, but don't need) was able to save another person's life and you are bitching?
May you always be so lucky.
Also, with regards to Todd's and other comments about being ok with money for the needy but not for those who abuse social assistance. Every person, left and right, agrees with that 100%. Now come up with a way of separating the two and maybe you'll tell us something we don't know.
re: "What's wrong with sharing a bit of our success with those less fortunate?"
Myself, I have no problem with this. My problem is with those who have so little regard for the dignity of fellow man that they will bully this man into compliance with there particular view of what is charitable.
What's wrong with sharing a bit of our success with those less fortunate?
Absolutely nothing is wrong with sharing. I wholly support it. I do it myself, often! But, by its very nature, sharing is voluntary.
Having something taken, by force of law, to be squandered, inefficiently, for things which are oftentimes in direct opposition to my own morals and sense of right/wrong...is a different story altogether.
That is what many of us are railing against.
That's not what the OP was railing against nor the focus of my post.
Alright, Nick, I'll just call bullshit in the prefatory note here & get the things sorted out quickly below.
1. If there were tons of people who worked harder than this man & got nothing to show for it, no country could possibly be wealthy.
2. In the real world, some people are for more welfare programs, some for less. So far, the former have been winning, for more than half a century. They never had to justify their actions beyond general moralization. A lot of good intentions sunk a lot of money. Two generations later, the war on poverty declared in America has not be a success. -- & the country is set on a path to bankruptcy. The two sides of the argument will meet again in the next several elections & they will decide, given the electorate's chance to make the decisions, whether welfare will keep increasing or being to decrease. -- If the latter happens, all your professions of bipartisan agreement & bipartisan technical incompetence will seem completely laughable. -- If the former happens, well, they will seem just as crazy, but when bankruptcy is becoming a serious problem, maybe people won't be laughing. Let me urge you to look over figures of the unfunded liabilities for the major welfare programs in the US.
3. If you were to convince people most of the good stuff they have is luck, then you are implying it is intrinsically undeserved & it cannot really be defended or produced. In short, people should stop trying so hard & especially they should stop pretending they have any right to their property. If you believe, on the other hand, that in the crucial respect people are responsible for their success, then you are not a better judge of their administration of their success than they are.
My point => here
you are here somewhere.
I don't really care to discuss US welfare policy or Obama or whatever. That's for the TGD. This guy is complaining about how it sucks that he works hard for x and others work less for y. I'm saying, quit whining about y and be thankful for x.
1. I met plenty of people who have worked hard, did everything they were to do to be successful, and died before the age of 40 of cancer/accidents/etc. Many more did the same and got screwed when the economy tanked. They are the tons. Life sucks. Once again, be thankful yours doesn't.
2. Once again, my reply was to the OP. I intentionally ignored the US political debate going on in the comments. I have nothing to say about it nor do I want to outside TGD. I will say though that I think a war on anything you can't kill, be it poverty, drugs, or terror, is a war you can't win.
3. For starters I actually don't believe in luck. I only used the word here to avoid the main page's other taboo topic, religion. When I first left home to go to university my father told me to go to church. Even if I didn't care for the service, he said to go to thank God for what fortune the previous week brought me because there is no such thing as good luck in this world, and whatever good fortune you have comes from Him. But still, luck/blessing/whatever, it still plays the biggest role in what we get in life. I've now had experience in paediatrics and psychiatry as a medical student and its got me to rethink a few things. Its amazing how one little bump in the road early on can cause such a huge change in your life as time goes on. Its no reason to be lazy later but its a good reason to be thankful for what you have.
Yes, it is the perfect reason to be lazy, at best. If the deciding factor in a man's success in life is luck or divine aid or any combination of things within his power, then it follows that the difference between the richest & the poorest is always injustice. If God or chance decide that your life will be horrible & there is nothing you can do about it -- or that it will be a breeze & there is nothing you need to do for it, then all the people who work & study for long years are wasting their time.
You cannot have it both ways. Either human powers do or not constitute the fundamental part of success in human affairs. If they do not, then the people who put in long years of work are stupid or insane. They don't get that it hardly matters...
You said it, not me.
Heard about a study done recently in the UK that interviewed dying patients in a palliative care service about their regrets in life. Plenty of those who wish they married, had kids, spent more time with family, etc. None wish they worked more.
Now I have to go and fuel my delusion that I am making the right choice to spend up my 30s studying medicine so that I can go tell 50-yr-olds to stop wasting their lives by smoking. Are people who put long years into working stupid or insane? I don't know. I do know that if I was a bit "stupider" I might have never spent the majority of my 20s and 30s in university and instead actually had more of a life.
Well, I suppose when you're dying, work seems to have no more payoff. For another, I'm not sure how many people would work if necessity did not prompt them. But I submit to you the example of people who have made a million & still work. I do not know that capitalist prosperity would be possible without them... I do not know any rich people myself, but some of my acquaintance are trying to make it into the rich class, by more work than I would recommend to anyone, & I can tell you that if they thought anything like you do, they would all promptly abandon long years of work. I am not sure I know anyone who could think the way you do, but at the same time work all his life to achieve something...