Nothing wrong with being gay. Great men in history were gay. Strange second sentence though.?. "Have jobs, roof over their heads. In to sports etc" Roof over their heads, sports and jobs isn't really what manliness is about in my opinion. Honor, personal development, integrity, virtues and evolving as a man is what manliness is to me. Once again nothing being gay prevents one from doing/being. But liking sports, working and having a roof over your head doesn't even come close to what makes someone a man. A job and a roof makes you a productive human in today’s society. That’s not just what a man should be/have..
You said it much better than I did. Your right what you set out to do has nothing to do with being Gay.
Exactly being Gay has nothing to do with Manliness.
Gay guys can be manly -- there are a few here that fit the bill. But, they can also be prissy little fruitcakes. So can straight guys -- though, at least in my experience, the proportion of prissy gay guys seems to be considerably higher. Either way, its difficult to respect a grown man that acts like an 11-year-old girl ... no matter who he's attracted to.
Case-by-case. There are plenty of respectable gay guys. I will admit that I tend to assume an especially 'flamboyant' guy is gay unless proven wrong (sometimes there's no proof that will suffice). Usually right. Occasionally right before the guy figures it out for himself. Stereotypes exist for a reason.
Unmanly straight guys tend to be unmanly in other ways. Unmanly gay guys tend toward whats-his-name from Will & Grace.
There have been occasions when the reverse was true: I find out a guy is gay and I'm in disbelief.... but just for a second. Some guys are stealthy on the Gaydar.
He's a lumberjack and hes' okay.
How do Gay men live in a small town?