Red Dawn or the (unlikely) invasion of America by a foreign army.

I just saw the remake of Red Dawn, and all things considered, I thought it to be a pretty good movie, save for a few things I found unrealistic.  However, the movie did seem sort of realistic in what could happen if somehow our defenses were overrun and an army did gain a foothold in our country. 

I'm also a fan of Revolution, The Walking Dead, and Falling Skies.  All shows in which life as we know it is over, and the emphasis of your life becomes feeding yourself and your family, staying safe and sheltered, and defending yourself against your enemies.

I, personally, don't think it would be possible for an army to secretly get to our shores and take over a large chunk of the country without the military knowing in advance that they were coming.  Then again, I'm an eternal optimist, so I just don't see that happening.  I also don't see the zombie apocalypse as a real threat.  And likewise, I'm not too concerned about aliens.  As for Revolution, something that like doesn't seem like it's out of the realm of possibility, although I don't think the power would go out forever, but it could be out for an extended time.   

So, I thought that this would be a good topic of conversation to pose here.

Do you think The United States of America could be invaded? 

How do you think it would happen?

What would you do if it did happen?

Do you think there is any circumstance in the near future that could cause our country in it's current form to cease to exist?

What would you do in a long term power outage situation?

Also - this is something I find slightly annoying by the way - my parents are preppers.  As in, doomsday preppers.  They stockpile things.  Are you a prepper?  Do you think it's beneficial to stockpile goods?  I think it'd be better to have a plan and some weapons and a way to get out of dodge if / when the shit hits the fan.  Having all those resources and weapons allocated in one location and no plan to "bug out" would make you a target and a liability, whereas being lightweight, highly skilled and able to move around lightly and freely would be an asset.

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That too.

Invasion?  I highly doubt it! 

If it did? The foothold any invader might win would crumble within days from effort needed to keep rest if USA out and control those within.

Cease to exist? If we are to have one, our demise will come from within. Probably in response to a) natural disaster or b) global economic collapse. My thinking however,  is that in the very far future the USA will simply be OBE.

What would I do? Whatever it takes.

Not a prepper, as you put it.  Don't see the need, to be honest. I can make it about 3 - 4 weeks with what I got on hand.

I too saw the first release. It wasn't bad mostly because it held a certain amount of reality. This new one is out of step with the current state of affairs. I heard it was hastily slapped together in response to Falling Skies and the other like-minded TV successes out there. The validity of that rumor is questionable and I've no interest in digging for the truth on this matter.


Sorry guys! Overcome By Events was intended.

OBE = "overcome by events"

(or Order of the British Empire - but I don't think this is what is meant)

Thanks. I was thinking the latter as well.

As the makers of the new Red Dawn discovered, its hard to come up with a believable invader. I have not seen the movie but I remember reading a while ago that the original script called for China but that was changed so as to not alienate Chinese viewers. I remember at the time some complained about bowing to China but it was just good business sense.No sense in pissing off potential movie-goers. The movie Master and Commander did the same by moving the plot a few years from the book it was based on and changing the antagonist from the Americans (and a cardinal rule known the world over is that American viewers hate to lose) to the French (an enemy all good movie goers can agree on). But at least with Red Dawn, making the enemy Chinese, Russian, North Korean, Iranian, or even Venezuelan didn't matter. Each would be just as ridiculous. The fact is in 2012 there is only one superpower on earth.

The original came out in the early 80s. Reagan years man. Nuclear war and USA vs USSR movies were all the rage. War Games, Rocky IV, heck even the two duelling Bond flicks (Never Say Never and Octopussy) in 1983 both involved NATO and nuclear weapons.

I don't know about the near future but history tells us that all great empires must some day fall. I doubt, unless there are aliens like in War of the Worlds, it will be by overwhelming invasion attacking the US at its peak. I'm guessing like Rome, a lot of shit will have to happen first before the barbarians sack Washington. Maybe the US will fall from the inside. I think natural disaster is probably the best candidate. Just google photos of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. The place looks like Hiroshima and that was only after a single storm (and one that some would say was predictable). The US is armed to the teeth (I like Jack's photo) but I think a few seawalls and such defences around low-lying coastal cities like NY or NO would probably do more to protect the US than teaching nanny how to load a Springfield.

If someone wants to hurt the US, terrorism is more effective.  To *take* the US would be impossible.  (Like taking China, Russia, or Brazil.  We're too big.)

We are already being invaded by illegal immigrants by the thousands. The terrorists who destroyed the World Trade Towers were striking an economic blow at the US these "undocumented workers" are doing the same by destroying the middle class which is the backbone of our country they too are economic terrorists. How long will it be before they become "undocumented voters". The Dept. of Homeland Security is a travesty the only things they have secured is funding and the right to circumvent the Bill of Rights and the Constitution at their whim. Like Rome the collapse will be internal and invasion by whomever will follow shortly afterwards. The sad part is I don't think the preppers will be able to hold out, in spite of their plans and preparations they will be overwhelmed.

1. undocumented workers, by and large, are not taking "middle class" jobs. They are taking unskilled, below minimum wage, off the books crap jobs - because they are still better than being killed in a drug feud in central america. We need to address the problem, certainly, but it's not killing the middle class.


2. They will not become "undocumented voters" the system doesn't work that way and can't. This is baseless.

Just because you say something enough times does not make it the truth. Stupid people may believe it but still it is not the truth.


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