Does anyone else get tired of these guys that show up to the website that put up a topic then delete it when they realize that no one agrees with them?
Here look at me, I am a guy, you are guys, so you must agree even though I haven't found anyone else in real life to agree.
Latest was some guy, asked a serious question and I gave him a serious response. I knew from the get go that he wouldn't like the response, but my "job" here isn't to appease people. If I am giving advice, on my own time, it is going to be direct and it might not be what you wanted it to be.
A man takes that people will have different opinions and that he might not always be right. In fact, a man knows that the day he stops learning and pushing even himself is the day that man is put in the ground.
Oddly enough, most of the time it seems that these "guys" take their threads and run home after they have been trying to tell us how they aren't selfish and we all agree that they are. So by deleting their thread, they do one last selfish act PROVING what everyone here at this site of men agrees with.
Lord knows, I do stupid stuff all the time. Idea is just do I repeat the stupid stuff and do I allow people to tell me if I am doing said stupid stuff.
No. I disagree with you.
I had completed a comment agreeing with you in principle when the post was taken down.
I can't say that I "get tired of" it, because I only see it happen every few months. This situation seemed particularly small-minded because there was only 1 reply. Perhaps a consensus would form against our assessments of the situations.
I can understand the impulse to take down a thread when you've been roundly contradicted. It is not a completely mature thing to do, but shame is usually a positive moral force.
I wouldn't say it's so much the advice itself that isn't welcomed, but the manner in which it is delivered. I've never personally deleted a thread of mine but I have wanted to. I say that because sometimes, in some contexts (usually romantic relationships), the advice given on the forums is good but the delivery is lacking. Posts can come off as crass, rude, and combative. I've felt attacked on here several times when I least expect it. I suppose that's because in my mind I think I'm right (or if not right, justified) then when I post here everything gets turned on its head. Not like that's a bad thing; it's not. But it can certainly rub people the wrong way.
I know what you are talking about and that is why this site is called The Art of Manliness and not The Art of the Hen House. Men should have a bit thicker skin and be able to take such things in stride. I see it as part of growing up and not being a big overgrown mammas boy who can't understand that others may not think only delightful thoughts about you (not you D.J.).
If they can't take that then the best advice isn't going to help them all that much. For advice to work you need to accept it and probably change yourself. If you think you do not need to change then you are not ready for the advice.
I don't recall any new guy coming here and just getting attacked because they are new. Some have come here and almost asked for it and they got it.
Ask and ye shall receive. And by the way, Paul, you win the internet today for "The Art of the Hen House."
As a general rule, I answer as I would want to be answered under the same circumstances. I wouldn't want to be coddled ... so I don't coddle. I would expect to be treated like a grown man that got myself into this situation, and can get myself out (with suggestions). So, that's how I treat people who ask advice.
Also, as a general rule, I try to offer suggestions for what actions the writer can take to fix things. That almost requires finding what portion of the blame can be put on the writer ... so as to figure out what the writer can change to right the ship. So, the same question from two different parties to an argument can lead to a completely different answer.
That's why "I cheated on my wife, what do I do!?!" leads to the answer ... "you're a scumbag, and I hope she leaves you" or "fess up, apologize, and hope she's more forgiving than I'd suggest she be, dumbass."
While "my husband cheated on me, what do I do!?!?" ... leads to the answer ... "treat your husband better, make sure you're giving him what he went outside the relationship looking for, and/or quit picking scumbags".
Both answers sound critical of the person asking the question. But, if I answer either with "you're a blameless victim" (of his scumbagness, or her frigidity, or whatever) ... then there's nothing they can do to fix it. The blameless are also without any control for fixing the problem ... and, conversely, if you have some control to implement a solution, you have some blame for not doing so before there was a problem.
I've felt attacked on here several times when I least expect it. I suppose that's because in my mind I think I'm right (or if not right, justified) then when I post here everything gets turned on its head.
That's probably the real answer. People come in expecting a certain answer ... and "feel attacked" when they don't get the answer they'd have written to themselves. Which is stupid ... because if we gave you the answer you'd give yourself, what use is there in asking us?
But those posts, sometimes, make you think there may be another way of thinking about the issue. It's happened to me a few times.
One of my favorites was the young guy asking what he should wear to bed for his new wife. He was asking because women have lingerie and such things so what should a husband wear. Jack answered to just wear boxers and the OP said something about us not understanding or something like that. Jacks comment was the first and was simply a plain response with no mocking tone toward the OP. Then he deleted the post and left. Still for the life of me I have absolutely no idea what that guy thought we might recommend.
I think he wanted to wear his wife's new lingerie.
Often people just want to feel justified for acting, thinking, or feeling the way the do and the fastest way (best way?) is to have others agree with you; it's human nature to want to be accepted and that is part of it. Case in point my post about my 17 year old step-son when his tire needed to be changed. I thought one way and others came from a different point of view. Were they wrong? No. Was I wrong? No. Just another view point.
It's a little disconcerting when I work out an answer, hit send, and find the thread's gone. But OK.
BTW, I think mayfly threads are OK: threads explicitly intended to be taken down, because their relevance is temporary. Like "What does floobuggle mean? I googled it but I got zip."
Another possibility -- sometimes -- is the author thought the better of it. Somebody on FB posted (reposted) something saying, do this in your privacy settings or I'll drop you as a friend because I don't want my photos published to the world. My wife said it was on Snopes. I looked it up, found it was false, crafted a suitably polite response, and found that the post was gone. He'd already realized his error. And a good thing.
Haha. I actually did post that on Facebook, and did remove friends who didn't change their settings, but I'm confident that my issue really was only with posts that were public, because they were marked public. I gave Mom a couple extra chances, though.