This is an issue which was alluded to in the 'Kanye West' thread, and might be worthy of some discussion in its own right.
All of us, no doubt, have seen or heard stories of people who have done things while drunk that they would never have done sober, then attempted to brush it off by saying, "Oh, I was soooo drunk!" People have tested the idea a few times in the courts (including the court of public opinion) that the influence of a sufficient amount of alcohol can absolve a person of responsibility for their actions.
So here's a question -- is drunkenness a defense for any kind of action? By that I mean, is there anything that's ok to do, as long as you're drunk? If yes, then what kind of things? If no, then why get drunk, knowing that you're much more likely to do things for which there will be no defense?
A word of clarification here, I'm not talking about legal defense, or the extent to which the law allows a man to hide behind his beer goggles in the courtroom. I'm talking about the manliness (as differing from legality) of a person's words and actions ... or otherwise. There are plenty of things which are legal, but not manly.
Manly, morally, legally — I do not buy it. I did not make intoxication a defense when I was drinking and do not accept it from others. Although I have mixed feelings on the "disease" of alcoholism, in general, I believe that nobody forced you to put alcohol to your lips in the first place, so you are still responsible for your words and actions.
Mental incompetence, moral turpitude, being a sociopath, bad speler, jackassery, basic arrogance — those may have to be considered on a case-by-case basis. Mix any of the above with alcohol and you can have even more interesting situations.
Drunkenness isn't a defense for ANY action, that I'm aware of. It is a form of expression... and basically says "I am out of control, and I don't care about anyone else". "In fact, no one's welfare, or safety is important to me, while I'm in this altered state." I've spent hours becoming this alter-ego, and now I'm here for the parTAY! Let's get it started... and all that...
The kicker is the drunk asshole really thinks his sole purpose is to entertain others. And after the dust settles, at the end of they day (or night)... the poor hungover bastard expects to receive your understanding and sympathy. "Bless his heart... he didn't know what he was saying... How could he? He was so wasted!" Ha! If we were being observed by beings from another planet, they would surely, be shaking their heads (or whatever they use for heads in their world). :-)
Well David is it a good or even always true excuse nope definitely not. Have many of us used it yes we have. Have I yea not proud though. When I drank I would use it if I slept with someone who I wish I hadn't or if I was belligerent to some one. Like I said not proud of it but When I wore a younger mans clothes I did a lot of stupid stuff and drinking and drugs were usually at the core of it. But thats why I changed my ways so to speak.
Simply put, no. You can go to jail for driving drunk, so it is obvious that the powers that be don't find it an acceptable excuse and neither should the general public. Back when EVERYONE was coming clean, going to rehab, and blaming their excessive behaviour on booze/drugs/whatever, all I could do was roll my eyes and wonder why the American populace not only bought it, but applauded it.
I've found it makes me more sociable and friendly, however, that can get annoying. Haha, better than being on the other end of the spectrum I suppose. If anything happens (which it rarely does anymore), I'll apologize profusely for it when I am sober and will not make the same mistake again. Drinking and driving, well, there's no excuse for that. I've been guilty of it before, I admit, but that's one of the worst things you can do. You have so much to lose, and even more than that, you can put other people in danger. I've worked in a few bars, and seeing how people act when drinking... seesh, it ALMOST makes me want to never have another beer again.
Absolutely not. At some that person was sober and made the decision to drink or continue drinking. If you are the type of person that will say or do things you regret when drunk then you should not drink. Some people (people who get violent, refuse to not drive, etc.) simply should not drink. For the rest of us who can have a few and still behave like gentlemen...Cheers!
When it comes to dealing with friends and strangers, Im willing to forgive the little things. Someone says something, or does something. Maybe they drop something and its no big deal. I like to party too and would want to be treated the same way if I made some small mistakes. However, I'm with you guys. Drunkeness is no excuse for driving, destruction of property, picking fights with people who don't want to or anything else along those lines.
If a person is, at one point, lucid enough to decide to partake, then they have made a conscious decision to accept the risk & consequenses. The only exception would be if someone were unknowingly or involuntarily intoxicated.
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