How far will humans advance?
Creationists and evolutionists alike can agree that survival of the fittest can lead to a natural micro evolution in humans. However, how far do you think this can go in regards to modern science and medicine? Children are being born with severe conditions and with the help of incredible doctors they are surviving. Both weak and strong, dumb and smart, "attractive" and "ugly" men and woman have access to food and basic medicine to help them combat what we now consider minor ailments (something that easily could have killed our predecessors a few hundred years ago). There is no more filter for who survives, so does this mean that the micro evolution will end? Are we at our evolutionary peak?
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Permalink Reply by Yankee Cowboy Bob on -
No, I am not trying to deceive people. Just cutting through the miles of crap to get to the point. And that point is that there are serious schisms among those who call themselves evolutionists. Kindly stop deceiving yourself before accusing others of duplicity from your academic high horse, Pilgrim.
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Permalink Reply by Nathan Mark Devore on -
Actually, I felt like my explanation of punctuated equilibrium v. gradualism was rather clear, indeed it was my intention. However, I feel like your summary ("so fast you missed it") was both trite and misrepresentation.
Its like if I were trying to distill Jesus down to "hippy looking dude hung by the jews". It's patently misleading and unfair to those interested in the text, offensive to those who (like you) study and place stock in the text and is just generally a not very nice thing to do.
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Permalink Reply by Yankee Cowboy Bob on
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What is "generally not a very nice thing to do" is putting on your uppity airs and calling me a liar. And in such an outrageously stupid way. Yup, this dumb ol' cowboy is gonna use the very thangs that God don't like, such as lying and such, so's I can trick people into believing in a holy and righteous God.
If this here forum weren't populated by civil folk, I'd slap leather with you outside and use some turns of phrases that would set your hair on fire, what with me bein' a dumb ol' boy that got riled an' all. Shucks, you book larnin' folk make the rest of us get ashamed of ourselves, we should jes' STFU and mind our place around our intel-junt betters, 'cus they must be right, bein' so smart an' all.
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Permalink Reply by Nathan Mark Devore on
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ummm...when have I ever belittled you about your education or for that matter about anything.
What you did is you cited a (uber famous) scholar by name and then summarized his work incorrectly, I called you on it not because I think your dumb but for the opposite reason because you've shown yourself to be intelligent and thus I assumed that you did it to support your own argument.
Demanding an accurate summary of someone else's work doesn't make me uppity.
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Permalink Reply by Yankee Cowboy Bob on
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No, your sneering uppity attitude makes you uppity. And if you want to slap my scurvy fingers for "oversimplifying" the punctuated equilibria crap (while also ignoring most of my other points that make you uncomfortable), you may as well go on a quest to slap quite a few other fingers. Gould was not even original, it was Goldschmidt's theory from the 1940s that he was attempting to resurrect (or does a religious term offend you?). It was a struggle, I can't read beyond the third grade, you know. So, here's your starting point, I'm not the one that started this "oversimplification": http://tinyurl.com/ygprds6
Of course, you totally ignored my objection to being called a liar and the absurdity of the position you took.
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Permalink Reply by Nathan Mark Devore on
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Now providing citations makes me pretentious (For personal reasons I would prefer not to use "uppity" but I think pretentious will work here.
I have not belittled you, ignored you, called you names, or patronized you and if you got that impression then I am sorry. However you have and continue to attack me personally and I will now bow out.
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Permalink Reply by Will on -
It's a new environment; you still have to be fit, just in the new environment. "Fit" now means "able to survive and reproduce possibly with the help of modern medicine." There is still a filter. You can't reproduce if you have DS. (Males, anyway.) Probably not with MS. Autism makes it less likely. But other things are now correctable. So if we don't update our thinking we can think of people with cleft palate or hydrocephaly as "unfit," but in our new environment, they are fit.
Environments change. We change with them.
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Permalink Reply by Robert Disque on -
The internet is going to be society's downfall. Hell, people already have forgotten how to spell, write long hand, and talk to a real live person. If there is ever a large scale nation wide power outage, that will start the de-evolution cycle.
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Permalink Reply by Yankee Cowboy Bob on
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OMG! LOL!
Actually, laziness of spelling, grammar, punctuation and even rational thought have long bothered me. Even in Instant Messages, I keep my typing laziness to a minimum so I will not develop bad habits.
Do you ever watch the rude, crude and offensive Family Guy? The power went out, and the family wondered how they could occupy themselves. Brian suggested lighting candles and everyone read a book. They all laughed at him. Which reminds me, I have a book to read. Some husband and wife team...
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Permalink Reply by Will on
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Thing is, people didn't know how to spell or write longhand anyway. We just didn't notice because they were quiet. (I noticed because I read their papers at school!) Practice should help. With the spelling, anyway.
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Permalink Reply by Jamie on -
Good point, Will.
I actually think people are writing a lot more now than they used to. How many people do we see writing these page-long rants on blog sites who never would have otherwise picked up a pen or pencil? Maybe the content isn't the highest quality, but at least people are exercising some written vocabulary and attempting to formulate a cohesive argument.
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