It seems you have opened a can of worms with this thread. It is interesting to see the twists and turns that posters have made from bashing the RCC, Scouts, Baden Powells orientation and even each other.
Looking back at the posts, a lot of air time was given to discussing whether or not BP was gay or not. Can I suggest that this discussion gets back on track to debate a real issue - not gutter sniping about sexual orientation based on unsubstantiated opinions. In the end his orientation has nothing to do with the debate - it does not matter!
I was interested in joining AOM because of the declining standards in men behaving like gentlemen, and to revive 'lost' manly pastimes and to have examples of what it is to be a man.
I am looking to you to get this debate back on track - if your intent was to discuss the appropriateness of a ban on homosexuals in BSA then please restate this as this is a more edifying topic.
Eric. If there was a can of worms opened then I'm pretty sure they are all dead by now.
Brett wrote this discussion over 3 years ago. As for getting the topic "back on track", read his final line "I don't really have a point with this. I just thought it was interesting." I'm guessing 3 years ago that the BSA and the topic of homosexuality was in the news and Brett went and read a bit on Lord BP. He was probably not looking to dive deeper into it because, like the rest of us who dropped the topic after only a couple pages, didn't really bother to.
As for the comments about the RC church, that had nothing to do with the discussion. You cannot tell by reading now because the poster has since been booted from AOM (and therefore his posts are deleted with his account) but the anti-Catholic posts were written by a poster who had an axe to grind. Go back to page one and you will see that myself and others are responding to someone who isn't there. I forget what the poster said, but it was some random ranting about the RC church.
Thanks for setting me straight Nick. Strange how this post got revived - though it did spark some entertaining comments.
Hmmm... I may have a unique perspective on this, being proudly atheistic, bisexual (although i am engaged to the absolute love of my life, a mormon woman), AND an Eagle Scout. Although it is difficult for us to view Baden Powell's actions as they were, due to the passage of time, it does seem awfully suspicious that he essentially de-feminized his wife. Granted, i do tend to prefer short hair, but the breast compression and costuming seem to point to some variety of paraphilia. Regardless of his personal life, though, Baden Powell's organization has done immeasurable good for boys who participate in it, even if the organizational politics are bigoted, at best. Oh, and in reference to the catholic dilemna, being raised catholic and being excommunicated at 14, along with my entire family, has left me soured on the institution. That being said, the catholic church is by no means unique in having had problems with pederasty. It is perhaps due to the conspicuous size and power of the church that these aberrant clergymen are taken to represent the whole of the church, erroneously. The church has many more canonical problems which are perhaps more troubling, if not as well publicized.
It IS interesting. However, Lord Baden-Powell, being deceased, is not able to answer the charges. As is stated in the article, (quote) "...there's no evidence that Baden-Powell acted out on his feelings," so let's give him the benefit of the doubt. A man who admires and enjoys looking at the nude male form is not necessarily a homosexual. Let's remember Lord Baden-Powell simply as the founder of Scouting.