I would ask you to check your perceptions of today's youth. I know that there are many men who are young and are indeed real men. I agree with you that many are boys, but I know many that I serve with and went to college with that are hardworking responsible individuals that want to better themselves and the world around them. I know that many don't do that and aren't in that category and maybe they are a greater proportion than they used to be but they do not make all of us.
I agree that a lot of this has to do with our fathers and their raising of my generation but I don't think that we are all lost to being absentee fathers or are self-obsessed individuals. We also face more uncertainty in our roles. I am lucky and fill a decidedly masculine fufilling leadership profession, but we can't all be Field Artillery Officers. Many others are finding the world not very guided and tracked like mine and with mentorship not highlighted.
I understand your frustration and feel it myself, I don't understand many of my peers choices and have confronted many of them when they make assertions that put off their responsibilities At the same time I see great examples of men who are wise beyond their years and are great husbands, fathers and professionals
I would ask you to check your perceptions of today's youth. I know that there are many men who are young and are indeed real men. I agree with you that many are boys, but I know many that I serve with and went to college with that are hardworking responsible individuals that want to better themselves and the world around them.
Not really. We've just changed the definition of what it means to work hard or be responsible until it fits around our need to feel relevant.
I have to agree with Jess. There are a great many sorry excuses for men dragging themselves around. And you are right, they do tend to propogate like rabbits, if not much else. This is especially true in poor areas, (such as the one I live in), where children bring increased government subsidies, and are at times raised like livestock.
But that doesn't mean we can completely lose faith in the American male. There are still plenty who are fighting the good fight, and hanging on.
Hopefully someday the "powers that be" will halt the systemic coddling that allows for such things. I believe the slow cultural slide that makes this possible is due to the abuse of an ever burgeoning entitlement system. One that unfortunately, cannot be easily curtailed without hurting those who genuinely need it.
You make a ton of generalizations here without much substance.
That is more or less true, but that does not mean that he is incorrect. Certain things are certainly on the decline, and demonstrably so.
Generationally, church attendance is WAY down as a percentage of the population, atheism as a belief system is WAY up, alternative fruit-cake religions are on the steady increase, and our entire economy has shifted to a largely non productive, services based economy instead of a production/manufacturing, colleges are grossly under performing and turning into little indoctrination centers for far leftist educators.
Even the very idea of what it means to work full time has radically changed. Today, "men" act like they are killing themselves if they crack out a 40 hour work week. A generation or two ago, if you only worked 40 hours a week, you were damn near considered to be semi retired.
Unrelated or not, my generation is also going to be the first generation since the middle ages to actually lose ground in our health and life expectancy, and we're the first generation of Americans who will actually experience a net/net decline socioeconomically.
If you don't want to believe me, that's fine. At 41, I no longer feel any particular compulsion to have anyone else think I am right, and you can look all these things up yourself if you feel the desire to do so.
(Zombie thread, but...)
> You make a ton of generalizations here without much substance.
> That is more or less true, but that does not mean that he is incorrect.
^This. If I'm to be alarmed, disgusted, or in any way engaged, I want to know that the belief I'm adopting is true. Food Stamp use in the US has vastly increased: is this because today's men are wimps? Because the administration is running an effective advertising campaign? Because too many have given up looking for work? It makes a difference. &c.
Drop the word "real". "Real man" is an elusive term.
Man, to me, says enough.
I have no sons, nor will, as my wife declared years ago that "the kitchen is closed".
If anything has spurred me to become a man more than anything else, was doing it for my daughters. One day they will (I hope) be looking for mates, and I want to provide as strong an example of a man as I can.
I've always liked "Be the man you want your son to be and your daughter to marry".
Don't know who originally said it, but it works.
Maybe "the kitchen is closed" but I hope the playground is still open!