...not quite the same as manly books, but still worth discussing. What would you recommend?
King Warrior Magician Lover, Moore and Gillette. 4 parts of the male psyche. Also four books to follow, The King Within, The Warrior Within, etc.
He, Robert Johnson. Modern (Western) man's journey in life, to finding out It's Not All About Me.
Wild at Heart, John Elderedge. You are made not to be a plodder, but a hero.
Iron John, Robert Bly. Exploring the male journey with the use of a fairy tale "Iron John."
and although it's not in the same league, I was recently thinking about
The Last American Man. Eustace Conwy's biography; he starts as hero, ends up as maddening, but I can never be sure if his failure is simply because of his personal failings. In a way it recapitulates US civilization: starts living off squirrels in the woods and goes on to building an estate.
What do you recommend? This was on the previous discussion board, but I think we need it back.
NOt a book, but an article from Esquire, May 1960. "The Notion of an Ameican Gentleman". It's possibly a bit dated, but I ran across it first in my college English II class (It was part of the textbook, aptly titled, "Man and His Measure".
I just finished Fire in the Belly. I thought it had some interesting ideas on how to become a better man.
I'm reading Iron John right now. It's alright. There are parts where Bly does a bang up job of explaining the male experience and there were a few places where I definitely think he takes some artistic license and starts going down some weird muddled paths. But he's a poet, not a counselor or sociologist, so that should be expected. Overall, a good book.
Wayne Levine's book Hold on To Your N.U.T.s is good too. He sort of picks up where a lot of the mytho-poetic writers left off and he actually gives specific tools to help men reconnect with their "Wild Man"
I'd like to hear your thoughts on Iron John. So far I've found it sort of so-so. I often feel Bly goes on these strange tangents where he'll start quoting his own poems. I love it when he actually makes the connection to the Iron John allegory to the modern male experience, but I feel those parts are few and far between in the book.
I thought it was pretty deep; pretty good at expressing some of the needs of our development: letting the Wild Man out of the cage, breaking from parents (especially mom). It didn't offer practical advice on how to do it, which would have been good; but then sometimes I can't get practical advice on such a personal and internal matter from a book -- even if it's there, I just can't absorb it. So that's my take.
I can’t comment on Bly’s Iron John having only read Loving a Woman in Two Worlds for a course in college. I thought his poetry lackluster and didn’t care for his style. Although the subject is pertinent and interesting I’m not sure I would care to read Iron John. I have read Wild At Heart I like that he believes "God designed men to be dangerous." Eldredge encourages men to be 'dangerous' and 'passionate'. I liked his journaling ideas and his encouragement for men to explore the arts. The books I recommend, I recommend because they address aspects of manliness.
Death In The Long Grass - by Peter Capstick
It’s a collection of stories about deaths of big game hunters, tourists, and natives in Africa. It’s like sitting with your great uncle around a campfire as he tells you stories about his adventures.
Marine Sniper: 9 Confirmed Kills - by Charles Henderson
It is considered classic military non fiction. It is true stories of Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Norman Hathcock II performing missions as a sniper in Viet Nam. He’s a true hero that exhibits the manly attributes of bravery and self sacrifice.
The Christian Warrior - by Gabriel Suarez
This book is a compilation of various articles and essays written by Gabriel Suarez for an online newsletter, The Warrior News. It’s about being a man and the pacification of the Christian male. I highly recommend it.
Etiquette For Dummies
I picked up a copy because it was on sale for $2. I thought it would be a great resource for teaching my daughters etiquette. Going through it brought back memories of countless hours of etiquette classes from my one year in military school. (That’s a long story in itself). It also updated my limited knowledge of etiquette by covering topics such as corresponding in today’s technical world, Netiquette, etc.
The Screwtape Letters – by C.S. Lewis
Mr. Lewis writes from the perspective of a devil giving advice to another devil on how to tempt a Christian. By doing so he reveals how we let evil into our own lives. It’s one of my all time favorites.
"My point was that in 'English' English, there's so such thing as a 'rugby shirt'. I've never heard anybody use that phrase, and when I saw it hear, figured that it referred to what we in England call a rugby jersey.
"There's an unproportional amount of venom in this rant here. Yes, the popped collar, gelled hair and shell necklace is clearly overdoing it, but I can't imagine a rugby jersey with some good pants to be a horrible outfit for a…"
"I actually agree with the man, but our reasons are vastly different.
I, for one, would not want to work out with a shirtless guy; the sweat would bother me more than anything else and be a distraction. But that is just me; I find sweaty men gross.…"
"A lot of current "red pill" and manosphere thinking is also about not being a nice guy. The crux is there's a difference between what attracts women (strength, wealth, leadership, confidence, humour, high value) and what keeps a…"