...not quite the same as manly books, but still worth discussing. What would you recommend?
King Warrior Magician Lover, Moore and Gillette. 4 parts of the male psyche. Also four books to follow, The King Within, The Warrior Within, etc.
He, Robert Johnson. Modern (Western) man's journey in life, to finding out It's Not All About Me.
Wild at Heart, John Elderedge. You are made not to be a plodder, but a hero.
Iron John, Robert Bly. Exploring the male journey with the use of a fairy tale "Iron John."
and although it's not in the same league, I was recently thinking about
The Last American Man. Eustace Conwy's biography; he starts as hero, ends up as maddening, but I can never be sure if his failure is simply because of his personal failings. In a way it recapitulates US civilization: starts living off squirrels in the woods and goes on to building an estate.
What do you recommend? This was on the previous discussion board, but I think we need it back.
NOt a book, but an article from Esquire, May 1960. "The Notion of an Ameican Gentleman". It's possibly a bit dated, but I ran across it first in my college English II class (It was part of the textbook, aptly titled, "Man and His Measure".
I just finished Fire in the Belly. I thought it had some interesting ideas on how to become a better man.
I'm reading Iron John right now. It's alright. There are parts where Bly does a bang up job of explaining the male experience and there were a few places where I definitely think he takes some artistic license and starts going down some weird muddled paths. But he's a poet, not a counselor or sociologist, so that should be expected. Overall, a good book.
Wayne Levine's book Hold on To Your N.U.T.s is good too. He sort of picks up where a lot of the mytho-poetic writers left off and he actually gives specific tools to help men reconnect with their "Wild Man"
I'd like to hear your thoughts on Iron John. So far I've found it sort of so-so. I often feel Bly goes on these strange tangents where he'll start quoting his own poems. I love it when he actually makes the connection to the Iron John allegory to the modern male experience, but I feel those parts are few and far between in the book.
I can’t comment on Bly’s Iron John having only read Loving a Woman in Two Worlds for a course in college. I thought his poetry lackluster and didn’t care for his style. Although the subject is pertinent and interesting I’m not sure I would care to read Iron John. I have read Wild At Heart I like that he believes "God designed men to be dangerous." Eldredge encourages men to be 'dangerous' and 'passionate'. I liked his journaling ideas and his encouragement for men to explore the arts. The books I recommend, I recommend because they address aspects of manliness.
Death In The Long Grass - by Peter Capstick
It’s a collection of stories about deaths of big game hunters, tourists, and natives in Africa. It’s like sitting with your great uncle around a campfire as he tells you stories about his adventures.
Marine Sniper: 9 Confirmed Kills - by Charles Henderson
It is considered classic military non fiction. It is true stories of Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Norman Hathcock II performing missions as a sniper in Viet Nam. He’s a true hero that exhibits the manly attributes of bravery and self sacrifice.
The Christian Warrior - by Gabriel Suarez
This book is a compilation of various articles and essays written by Gabriel Suarez for an online newsletter, The Warrior News. It’s about being a man and the pacification of the Christian male. I highly recommend it.
Etiquette For Dummies
I picked up a copy because it was on sale for $2. I thought it would be a great resource for teaching my daughters etiquette. Going through it brought back memories of countless hours of etiquette classes from my one year in military school. (That’s a long story in itself). It also updated my limited knowledge of etiquette by covering topics such as corresponding in today’s technical world, Netiquette, etc.
The Screwtape Letters – by C.S. Lewis
Mr. Lewis writes from the perspective of a devil giving advice to another devil on how to tempt a Christian. By doing so he reveals how we let evil into our own lives. It’s one of my all time favorites.
"That might be over-generalizing what Adams wrote. I read it as more that Trump is *consciously* tailoring his message (such as it is) in such a way that interpretation is open to the receiver:
It might be more accurate, I think, to say Adams…"
For those of us honest-to-goodness gentlemen who know better. There are few things more manly than leading your lady to the ballroom floor, wearing your best wingtip dance shoes, and leading her in a good old fashioned jive.
"A little late to the discussion, I like the classes and the going to a studio, but I have found one very good you tube series on teaching the night club two step, just search for "Jo Thompson night club two step"."
"While I may not support Trump, I continue to be fascinated by his appeal. This morning, I happened across this, written by Dilbert creator Scott Adams, that seems -- at least at first blush -- pretty insightful:
Trump VS Bush: Persuasion Wars"
"Yes, because equating a authoritarian regime to a slap on sticker 'hey, this thing is dangerous, we're going to go over how it can be dangerous and see that you don't fly off the handle in a class and test', which, we already DO…"