A question...maybe for the few ladies in here. I heard really different opinions about that, and had various thoughts about it myself. 

I finally want to know how I look from the view of average people. I know : "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." , "Beauty comes from within" and so on.......

BUT I guess everyone knows what I mean with saying : some people simply ARE beautiful, whether the type you like or not but the are, t a certain degree good looking.

Don't get me wrong I don't feel inferior if people tell me I'm not beautiful but I simply liked to know where I stand. Hope thats understandable for you.

What make a mans face look beautiful and how ( ladies in here =D ) does an ugly man look for you + Would you ( as some people say ) really not care about a man thats worse than average looking or does that give your relationship a certain potential for adultery?

I hope to get some answers 

I KNOW IT SOUNDS QUITE STRANGE

Hope my English was okay. Greets from Germany, Max

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Adjusting for individual tastes, cultural differences, and fads, there are certain physical traits which are universally accepted as "handsome" for men by women; symmetrical features and athletic build (shoulders wider than waist, hips near same dimension as waist).  Beyond that, you really will be getting into "eye of the beholder" territory.

Okay but nobody will disagree that there are some people that are regarded as beautiful by many.

Right, and they exhibit those universal physical features.  Not sure what you're getting at.  Are you trying to stack yourself up against Brad Pitt?

Yes, beyond symmetrical features, there are certain facial proportions (length:width; nose:width; eye spacing; eyebrow width) that are considered ideal. Heroes in art usually have them, and Da Vinci and Michelangelo studied them. Maybe you could find the actual ratios online or in an art book.

For Western women, a lot of our makeup is meant to provide the allusion that our faces are arranged in these proportions. I learned this when I got my makeup done professionally, then compared it to the fashion magazines. You can see this also if you look at a series of celebrity photos side-to-side. Maybe you can figure out how you compare by arranging to have your face made up as a stage hero.

There really aren't dimensions as much as a ratio, the Golden Ratio to be more precise.

And Brad Pitt:

Interesting. As a man I never considered all those factors. Cool. 

He's much more attractive now that he's older. But the truth is, Brad Pitt's never seemed like just a pretty face to me. He's an incredibly talented actor.

I'm not going to answer your questions. I don't think the answers will help you. I didn't have the answers for myself growing up, still don't for the most part, and I think it helped me work on my character.

I do wish I knew about the business issues when I was younger. Taller men get better jobs, on average, for starters. Blonde women get hired, but brunette women get promoted, statistically. Some of that would have helped me with my job searches (because there are things you can do to overcome statistical disadvantages, and some things you can actually change - like the colors you wear).

But for romance? Romance was and is hard for me, but I don't think knowing whether I was a proverbial 3 or an 8 would have made it easier ultimately. As for my husband's appearance and adultery [Who is going to admit to considering adultery?] - I'm not going to cheat just because someone's better looking. And I'm not going to cheat because he becomes less conventionally handsome. I do get upset at him not taking care of himself. If he's sick, we can't have fun together. If he needs medical care, I have to pay for it. [not a factor in Germany] If he dies, that makes me sad.

Yes okay not what I liked to hear but sounds logical =D Thank you for that detailed answer

You are better looking than Brad Pitt but not as good looking as me.

Beauty is relative. I think Will's post was fine. If he feels that way, he feels that way. Are we going to argue about feelings now? 

 Man I know. Who cares. I shave with a fuckin straight razor, eat steel for breakfast and shit nails. ....Naaah sorry just kidding, but I simply wanted to know. Everybody's got something makin' him insecure in some way. 

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