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Permalink Reply by Robert Disque on October 27, 2009 at 6:35pm

I believe it contributes to those problems in our society. Replacing a good male role model in a boys life with feminist day care workers, teachers, and single mothers doesn't give a boy a whole lot of opportunity to learn about being a man. Nature plays a rough role in growing into manhood, as most all of us can attest. Bottling up natural masculine propensities causes us to exhibit a host of interesting behaviors. My (ex)wife used to notice when I was getting grumpy and feeling like a pent up animal and she would tell me to go shooting with the guys or go to the gym. When I accepted her admonition I always felt better, more relaxed. I can't imagine what I would be like today if I wasn't allowed to be a boy when I was younger.

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Permalink Reply by Michael D. Denny on October 27, 2009 at 7:20pm

I largely agree. But we need to be able to intervene when it goes to far.
My boys will be involved in at least some degree of martial arts training, as well as attending a quality, Christian based private school. As well as, having the same mailing address as their father.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Norris on October 27, 2009 at 7:36pm

I found that as a boy when I got into a scuffle, it never went too far. We both know when it was over....I think that it goes too far when unchecked aggression builds up

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Permalink Reply by Michael D. Denny on October 27, 2009 at 7:48pm

If every boy in the world had two good parents at home, I'd be right there with you.

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Permalink Reply by Robert Disque on October 27, 2009 at 7:57pm

Ditto what Michael said about what Mike said.

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Permalink Reply by Patrick D on October 28, 2009 at 12:14pm

The only problem is that this is more and more an unobtainable goal... divorce rates are still going up and I doubt that will change any time soon.

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Permalink Reply by Preston on October 27, 2009 at 10:28pm

I agree with your posts. I am a little skeptical of men that have never been in a fight. It is a problem that police forces are having. Guys in training are whining when hand to hand gets too rough. How do they think criminals are going to react?

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Permalink Reply by Joseph L. Rogers on October 28, 2009 at 6:10am

Ya'll are talking about two aspects of the same thing.

Topher...think about this. Bullies are boys that are flat mean. Let them loose on boys that have had their "guydom" suppressed, and it's gonna cause something like Columbine. A normal boy will eventually stand and fight. I was 22 before I first stood for myself like that. I grew up in my mother's household for most of my life, and she was not a friend to men. She dated some, but never remarried. I was kind of fucked up until much later in my life, as a result.

So I'm 22, working at a steel mill (1999-2000). One of the boys I went to high school with worked there, and had been giving me hell for 6 months, and one night had me so angry I was shaking. Circumstances conspired that one of the boys set it up for us to meet after work behind the showers. We brawled. He was 320 lbs, I was MAYBE 160. I didn't care, I was on him.

He pushes me off onetime, and asks why I'm doing this, and I told him I'm tired of you fucking with me, and callling me stupid...so he says "But you ARE stupid!" Chris Harry, describing it next day said it was like watching Muhammad Ali...by the time he finished the sentence, I was back on top of him.

I have never felt as good as I did that night, except on RARE occasions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2bohKixLt8

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Permalink Reply by Library_Goon on October 28, 2009 at 6:01pm

I know what you mean, Joseph. When I was in ninth grade, a guy (who was in my class but played varsity linebacker) kept smacking me in the face. I jumped up and beat the living crap out of him. One of the best moments of my life.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Norris on October 28, 2009 at 8:07am

Topher,

If you look in nature, there is always a pecking order. Just watch Animal Planet for an hour. In our effort to become more civilized we have quickly forgotten this. We let every kid who tries out on the team, so that they no longer have to put forth their best in order to achieve.
As for the bully, he must find out that he's not so tuff. Actually, he already knows this inside. That's why he picks on people that he thinks are weaker than him. But he needs to be exposed for this

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Permalink Reply by Patrick D on October 28, 2009 at 5:48pm

Ironic that this discussion is resulting in aggression.

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Permalink Reply by Joseph L. Rogers on October 29, 2009 at 7:11am

Patrick, Topher didn't exhibit any aggression. He exhibited disagreement, and his personal views are so far removed from the OP's that he decided to withdraw, for the sake of civility.

That's pretty far removed from aggression.

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